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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And these lenient gun laws are....?
    The 2nd Amendment, I'm sure.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    12, 12, 14, isn't exactly a child. Someone of that age is old enough to understand what the likely consequences are of getting into confrontation with armed police officers, while brandishing a deadly weapon. It's tragic, but there is no one to blame but the idiot who has at least done a great service to Mankind by having himself removed from the gene pool before he had a chance to procreate.

    My wife, by the way, has owned a gun since she was eight years old. At that age, she knew better than to get herself into this sort of situation.
    Right, so you don't think that maybe this was the fact that he was encouraged by other kids, that maybe his parents were morons? No, the kid was just an idiot who woke up one morning and decided it would be a great idea to take a gun to school...

    Also, I will add here, if you let your child (Under the age of 18 for shotguns/rifles and under the age of 21 for pistols) have 24/7 access to a gun, you are just asking for trouble and should be held responsible if anything happens to them or someone else because of you failed logic.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Ok, an 12 year old boy is shot dead and everyone in Texas cheers. Happy now?
    Who the hell is cheering, dude? I live in Texas and I've discussed this article with several of my Texans friends and family members. The reaction I'm getting? "This is terrible, I hope we find out why the boy had a gun and why the police shot him".

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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    To be honest, this kid probably knew what he was doing just didn't realize the gravity of the situation like most kids his age. It's one thing to shoot at cops, it takes another complete thought to realize that the cops will shoot back.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Feel bad for the kids parents
    Feel bad for the cops that had to take him down
    Feel bad for any witnesses

    that being said I want this normally investigated and does nothing to impact my view on gun ownership.

    Its a shame he got his hands on a gun and this happened but thats about it unless I have more info.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    How many here who are calling a 12 to 14 yo boy able to understand the gravity of this situation have actually raised one? Boys that age are mercurial and irrational when upset or angry. Young teens are still very much children in that they often act before they think. A loaded weapon in the hands of 12 to 14 yo who is upset or angry is more likely to be fired than one held by a younger child. I'm sure the police who shot the boy were well aware of that.

    The best way to protect children from gun violence is for parents to lock up your weapons so they cannot get to them. I will never forget one of my co-workers getting a call that her 14 yo son was mortally wounded. The boy had a sore throat and was home from school. Her husband had insisted that a loaded weapon be kept unlocked in their bedside table for home protection.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    How many here who are calling a 12 to 14 yo boy able to understand the gravity of this situation have actually raised one? Boys that age a mercurial and irrational when upset or angry. Young teens are still very much children in that they often act before they think. A loaded weapon in the hands of 12 to 14 yo who is upset or angry is more likely to be fired than one held by a younger child. I'm sure the police who shot the boy were well aware of that.

    The best way to protect children from gun violence is for parents to lock up your weapons so they cannot get to them. I will never forget one of my co-workers getting a call that her 14 yo son was mortally wounded. The boy had a sore throat and was home from school. Her husband had insisted that a loaded weapon be kept unlocked in their bedside table for home protection.
    I really think it depends on the child/situation. I was raised around guns. My father was an avid hunter from a military family. We had hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns of all calibers...and I knew what each was, what kind of damage it did, and that I shouldn't touch them under any circumstances until such time as I wanted to be trained in gun safety and accuracy. I didn't take the interest, I didn't touch the guns.

    My boyfriend was raised similarly, except he DID take an interest and learned about them and handled them often. To this day I can tell you where the guns are in my father's house, how to load them, and how to disarm the safety. Now, I can also shoot most of them with decent accuracy, too.

    But the point is, the mystery was taken away from guns because my dad explained them to me...and he did it in a manner that made me both respect and fear them enough to leave them alone. I never once showed a friend one of the guns, played with one, moved one, etc. without my parents in the room guiding me.

    I don't think we have to hide everything from children...I think every child needs to be handled on the basis of their capabilities and mental state. Sure, that will require a bit more effort from parents, but it's about damn time they started making it again. Many in my generation and those about 6-7 years older than me are doing a amazingly poor job.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    How many here who are calling a 12 to 14 yo boy able to understand the gravity of this situation have actually raised one?
    Since I was a kid, I was taught that. No, I did not have guns around the home, but I knew very well guns and other weapons were dangerous and when aimed at another human being, had the capability of killing that person. I also knew that if I ever did that, I would be heavily punished. There was no mystery to me, and yes, I was bullied heavily when I was in middle school, during the era of Columbine. No mystery.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    How many here who are calling a 12 to 14 yo boy able to understand the gravity of this situation have actually raised one? Boys that age are mercurial and irrational when upset or angry. Young teens are still very much children in that they often act before they think. A loaded weapon in the hands of 12 to 14 yo who is upset or angry is more likely to be fired than one held by a younger child. I'm sure the police who shot the boy were well aware of that.

    The best way to protect children from gun violence is for parents to lock up your weapons so they cannot get to them. I will never forget one of my co-workers getting a call that her 14 yo son was mortally wounded. The boy had a sore throat and was home from school. Her husband had insisted that a loaded weapon be kept unlocked in their bedside table for home protection.
    While I agree with this everything is circumstantial, they should at least be locked up if no one is home or if its a weapon that shoots a little easier like a glock or a weapon with no manual safety like my P99.

    Anyway, and I dont recommend you do this but, my dad kept TWO guns loaded and ready to go. One under the bed in a shoe box and one in the drawer next to the bed.

    Now at an age when I might even fathom going into my parents room, 6 I think, looking around he took me out showed me a gun explained how dangerous it was and then he let me shoot it while in his hands also.

    This along with the very clear message that id get my ass beat if i even thought about touching the gun made me decide very quickly i would never touch that gun lol

    I even remember the PANIC that came over me one time when I was doing my chores and I was running the sweeper in my parents room. Well of course you have to sweep under the bed and I hit that box and moved it. I IMMEDIATELY ran and found my dad and told on myself LOL panicked I said dad I moved that box under the bed BUT I wasnt messing with it the sweeper hit it and it moved!!!!! LOL

    too funny, anyway, again I wouldnt recommend this for anyone Im just saying with guns there always has to be some VERY FIRM instruction and explanation.
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    Re: Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Actually the poster was correct. The lenient nature of the gun laws in Texas is absurd. And that isn't preconceived.
    According to the anti-2nd amendment website bradycampaign.org seven states have the least anti-2nd amendment laws. Oklahoma,Kentucky,Montana,Idaho, Arizona, Utah,and Louisiana have the least anti-2nd amendment laws.

    , Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
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