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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I find it funny when Republicans attack Obama for going along with Republican policy goals. Silly Republicans.
    What exactly does this have to do with the threads topic about the ACLU attacking him?

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

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    I feel like I'm the only liberal who isn't outraged and disillusioned by this. I also feel like I'm the only one who understands that campaign promises are made before candidates get certain information.
    I sure wish he would let the rest of us in on the reasons we are still in Afghanistan.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Campaign promises are one thing. An oath to defend the Constitution of the Unites States, instead of shredding it, is quite another.
    And where did he "shred" the Constitution?

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

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    I sure wish he would let the rest of us in on the reasons we are still in Afghanistan.
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    What exactly does this have to do with the threads topic about the ACLU attacking him?
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
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    So do you think he will ever let us in on the knowledge? He's ramping up the war machine which as we see here as drawn the ire of the ACLU and it seems that your arguement is that he knows more than the rest of us being the reason for it.

    If we are to simply accept our sons and daughters dying for these reasons and the rest of us should just understand our loss of rights, shouldn't we be let in on these reasons?

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Whether or not it's breaking Constitutional Law has been challenged over the years in the Supreme Court. They're not US citizens though it could be argued we've made them so by not giving them a country except our military base. An "enemy combatant" is an individual who, under the laws and customs of war, may be detained for the duration of an armed conflict. The President has unquestioned authority to detain enemy combatants, including those who are U.S. citizens, during wartime. All of the detainees have been designated as unlawful combatants and thus do not as a matter of law have a right to counsel to challenge their detention or the protections of the Third Geneva Convention. U.S. citizen enemy combatants who are detained in the United States may challenge their detention by a petition for habeas corpus, not so for non-citizen detainees. In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the detainees retain the same rights as U.S. residents to seek writs of habeas corpus. But the ruling will only permit the accused enemy combatants to see the evidence that justifies their captivity. Justice Kennedy wrote, "The (Constitution's) framers viewed freedom from unlawful restraint as a fundamental precept of liberty," "and they understood the writ of habeas corpus as a vital instrument to secure that freedom." So in the spirit of the law it seems we are not holding up the Constitution because it was never meant to deny anyone's rights indefinitely, no matter how you twist it to the letter.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    So do you think he will ever let us in on the knowledge? He's ramping up the war machine which as we see here as drawn the ire of the ACLU and it seems that your arguement is that he knows more than the rest of us being the reason for it.

    If we are to simply accept our sons and daughters dying for these reasons and the rest of us should just understand our loss of rights, shouldn't we be let in on these reasons?
    Not if widespread knowledge puts more of our "sons and daughters" lives at risk. If it doesn't, then yes we should know.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not if widespread knowledge puts more of our "sons and daughters" lives at risk. If it doesn't, then yes we should know.
    I suppose but I can't concieve where that would ever be the case. I'm not real big on "You'll risk your life because I know more than you".

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    This is another reason I favor line-item veto. Obama made it crystal clear he did not like the questionable provisions, but that he had to sign the bill because of other items it contained.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I suppose but I can't concieve where that would ever be the case. I'm not real big on "You'll risk your life because I know more than you".
    Well, when you sign up for the military, sometimes that's the case. You sign up to trust military intelligence, the president and the rest of your superiors. Sometimes, too much information flow threatens the mission.

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