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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    To give Obama a little rhythm I couldn't understand why he didn't keep half his campaign promises, especially those concerning the War on Terror.
    To give him a little credit... I think he won the election, got the transitional intelligence briefings, and realized how ****ing stupid his campaign promises concerning the War on Terror had been.

    The thing that scares me is that he has "serious reservations" about this bill and promises not to use it-- but has no problem signing it and giving whoever follows him the authority he's afraid to use.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    The worst thing Obama has done. He should have vetoed this, might lose my vote.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    To give him a little credit... I think he won the election, got the transitional intelligence briefings, and realized how ****ing stupid his campaign promises concerning the War on Terror had been.
    I didn't vote for him in the first place because his ideas were too pollyannaish.

    The thing that scares me is that he has "serious reservations" about this bill and promises not to use it-- but has no problem signing it and giving whoever follows him the authority he's afraid to use.
    You mean he's trying to please everyone? I've never heard of a politician doing that before, oh my....lol
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    I feel like I'm the only liberal who isn't outraged and disillusioned by this. I also feel like I'm the only one who understands that campaign promises are made before candidates get certain information.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I feel like I'm the only liberal who isn't outraged and disillusioned by this. I also feel like I'm the only one who understands that campaign promises are made before candidates get certain information.
    I understand that every candidate makes some promises from naiveté but BO was too wonderful. I actually thought his ideas sounded great but I knew there's "the world we want" and "the one we got". Idealism means well but sometimes it comes from the ego of wanting to be recognized for having good thoughts. I don't always like the hard truth but it still works the best.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Okay, so that's about six per year, or about 1/3 as many as Bush issued.
    So Obama is only 1/3 as bad as Bush? lol

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that it will. There is your hope and change, Democrats, shredding the Constitution of the United States, right where the Bush administration left off. And if that isn't enough, there is yet another piece of hypocrisy embedded in this law...... Obama added a signing statement, saying that his administration will interpret the new law in such a way that American citizens would not be detained without due process guaranteed by the Constitution. I have a LOT of problems with this signing statement:

    1) First of all, and most obvious, Obama blasted Bush for using signing statements, and now here he is, using one.

    2) An Obama signing statement doesn't mean a thing, once Obama leaves office. A different president could negate it in a New York minute.

    3) Just because Democrats in Congress didn't have the backbone to challenge Bush on his signing statements doesn't mean that Congressional Republicans won't have the backbone too. On this, though, I must admit that Republicans will go along with the status quo, but their hatred of Obama does make this option pretty tempting. On that, I am rooting for the Republicans, should they decide to take this road.

    Here is the deal, folks. The Obama administration has let loose upon the land a law that is just as Odious as the Alien and Sedition Acts, which were signed into law by John Adams. The law is unconstitutional. Period. But where is the Democratic outcry in Congress..... You know, the kind of outcry we heard almost every day during Bush's reign? I only hear Democratic hypocrisy, cloaked in silence.

    Have we now entered the age of the twilight's last gleaming? It depends on the American people. If we are content to replace our interest in the political process with interest in Dancing with the Stars, Justin Bieber, and the rest of the garbage that passes for information these days, then we will get exactly the kind of Government we deserve. And Big Brother will be eternally grateful. Say goodbye to America, folks.

    Finally, if a case is ever to be made for a third party, this is it, just as long as they don't sell America down the river too.

    Article is here.
    I agree Obama should come under attack for this along with any in Congress or GOP candidates that have not come out against this. Which of the GOP candidates except Ron Paul have made public their opposition?
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You agreed with the ACLU. Your conservative card, I want it, now.
    I prefer to say that I agree with the Constitution of the United States.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I feel like I'm the only liberal who isn't outraged and disillusioned by this. I also feel like I'm the only one who understands that campaign promises are made before candidates get certain information.
    Campaign promises are one thing. An oath to defend the Constitution of the Unites States, instead of shredding it, is quite another.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Republican praise and support for Obama's continuation of Patriot Act, Gitmo, NDAA
    Patriot Act:



    "Patriot Act Extension Signed By Obama

    IM ABRAMS, Associated Press

    WASHINGTON — Minutes before a midnight deadline, President Barack Obama signed into law a four-year extension of post-Sept. 11 powers to search records and conduct roving wiretaps in pursuit of terrorists.

    "It's an important tool for us to continue dealing with an ongoing terrorist threat," Obama said Friday after a meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

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    Still, coming just a month after intelligence and military forces tracked down and killed Osama bin Laden, there was little appetite for tampering with the terrorism-fighting tools. These tools, said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, "have kept us safe for nearly a decade and Americans today should be relieved and reassured to know that these programs will continue."


    Keeping GITMO open



    Obama flip-flops on Guantanamo Bay

    Republican lawmakers praised the president’s order on Guantanamo, and claiming that the new executive order vindicated the much-maligned President George W. Bush. Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, stated, "I commend the Obama Administration for issuing this Executive Order," the Post reported. "The bottom line is that it affirms the Bush Administration policy that our government has the right to detain dangerous terrorists until the cessation of hostilities."


    NDAA



    John McCain, co-sponsor of the NDAA legislation:

    "December 15, 2011

    “Mr. President, I fully support the Conference Report of the National Defense Authorization Bill for Fiscal Year 2012. This yearly Authorization bill provides defense policy guidance and funding, both vital to our national security. This bill also provides the clearest indication to our men and women in uniform that the Congress cares about them and their families. In testament to the importance of this legislation, Congress has passed a Defense Authorization bill into law every year since 1961. Now is not the time to break faith with the men and women who are selflessly serving our Nation by failing to pass this Conference Report."

    Republican praise and support for Obama's continuation of Patriot Act, Gitmo, NDAA - Democratic Underground
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