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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that it will. There is your hope and change, Democrats, shredding the Constitution of the United States, right where the Bush administration left off. And if that isn't enough, there is yet another piece of hypocrisy embedded in this law...... Obama added a signing statement, saying that his administration will interpret the new law in such a way that American citizens would not be detained without due process guaranteed by the Constitution. I have a LOT of problems with this signing statement:

    1) First of all, and most obvious, Obama blasted Bush for using signing statements, and now here he is, using one.

    2) An Obama signing statement doesn't mean a thing, once Obama leaves office. A different president could negate it in a New York minute.

    3) Just because Democrats in Congress didn't have the backbone to challenge Bush on his signing statements doesn't mean that Congressional Republicans won't have the backbone too. On this, though, I must admit that Republicans will go along with the status quo, but their hatred of Obama does make this option pretty tempting. On that, I am rooting for the Republicans, should they decide to take this road.

    Here is the deal, folks. The Obama administration has let loose upon the land a law that is just as Odious as the Alien and Sedition Acts, which were signed into law by John Adams. The law is unconstitutional. Period. But where is the Democratic outcry in Congress..... You know, the kind of outcry we heard almost every day during Bush's reign? I only hear Democratic hypocrisy, cloaked in silence.

    Have we now entered the age of the twilight's last gleaming? It depends on the American people. If we are content to replace our interest in the political process with interest in Dancing with the Stars, Justin Bieber, and the rest of the garbage that passes for information these days, then we will get exactly the kind of Government we deserve. And Big Brother will be eternally grateful. Say goodbye to America, folks.

    Finally, if a case is ever to be made for a third party, this is it, just as long as they don't sell America down the river too.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Thanks for posting that DS, I'll have to get through it....

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    wow, looks like the ACLU has joined in on the paranoid conspiracy theorist chicken-little bandwagon regarding NDAA 2012.

    sad....and pathetic.
    I take it that since you are mocking others you must have read the whole entire bill and pointed out what parts people are misinterpreting and what is not in the bill.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I take it that since you are mocking others you must have read the whole entire bill and pointed out what parts people are misinterpreting and what is not in the bill.
    I have read the sections in question, and posted them.

    they are very clear as to what they do..and do NOT do.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I have read the sections in question, and posted them.

    they are very clear as to what they do..and do NOT do.
    SO you actually read the whole thing and not just pasted and clipped what others have posted?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I have read the sections in question, and posted them.

    they are very clear as to what they do..and do NOT do.
    This foolishness again boya? I clearly explained that this act does in fact allow for the indefinite detention of US citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually, that's not true at all. Here's the thing, this bill does not grant the President any new powers, rather, it solidifies and codifies old ones into law. Under the Patriot Act people were detained indefinitely (Imprisoned by the Patriot Act -- In These Times) (GrepLaw | Photographer Arrested "Under Patriot Act") and the 2006 Military Commissions Act gives the President the power to label protesters unlawful enemy combatants (JURIST - Hotline: Challenging the Military Commissions Act). The definition of unlawful enemy combatants is so vague to the point where it can include US citizens.
    Edit: emphasis added

    Edit 2: John Turley who (GW Law -- Faculty Directory)
    • Is the second most cited law professor in the country
    • Has worked as both the CBS and NBC legal analyst during national controversies
    • Ranks 38th in the top 100 most cited ‘public intellectuals’ in a recent study by a well-known judge
    • Is one of the top 10 lawyers handling military cases
    • Has served as a consultant on homeland security and constitutional issues
    • Is a frequent witness before the House and Senate on constitutional and statutory issues

    agrees that this law allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens (Final Curtain: Obama Signs Indefinite Detention of Citizens Into Law As Final Act of 2011 « JONATHAN TURLEY)
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    SO you actually read the whole thing and not just pasted and clipped what others have posted?
    I copied & pasted the sections of the Bill in question.

    b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
    AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under
    this section does not extend to citizens of the United
    States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under
    this section does not extend to a lawful resident

    e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be
    construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to
    the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident
    aliens of the United States or any other persons who are
    captured or arrested in the United States.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    I find it funny when Republicans attack Obama for going along with Republican policy goals. Silly Republicans.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Thunder, you do realize the difference between the word "requirement" and the word "authority", do you not?

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    To give Obama a little rhythm I couldn't understand why he didn't keep half his campaign promises, especially those concerning the War on Terror. He was going to get out us out of Iraq, Afghanistan tout de suite, close Gitmo and stop all renditions. Instead he's been using the drones like a killing machine to seek and destroy. Internment is the least of their worries. Then I imagined his first briefing from the military and intelligence agencies on the extent and depth of terror threats. The stuff us average citizens never see and would probably mess our britches over. An indefinite detention without some form of due process though goes beyond the scope of our sense of duty and fairness.
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