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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    1031 isn't the section on that anymore. I can't find it now anywhere in the final bill. Look for yourself. Make sure you are looking at the final version (enrolled). I'll keep looking.

    EDIT. Found it, in 1032, in the "public print" not the enrolled version (don't know why).



    And reading this, it appears to resolve the "requirement" thing too - the military is "required" to hold someone in custody, unless and until they are transferred to civilian court or released, and that's why it says "this requirement."
    However, I noted before that Section 1031 does include US citizens. Thus, the two sections, 1031 and 1032, contradict each other.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Then the solution isn't to sign it.

    Rather, the solution is to ask conservative voters why their own Republican Senators and Representatives favor overreaching government powers, especially when it comes to using the military for law enforcement and granting it arrest powers.
    Democrats would be wise to do the same, methinks. The bill did enjoy bipartisan support, after all.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    With all of the backlash this has caused, I can't see how ANYONE, Obama especially, could have considered a veto political suicide. All he'd have to say is "I refuse to pass a bill that includes the indefinite detention of blah blah blah," and he could have turned it into a massive stake to the Conservative heart. If anyone could have and would have used this as a political tool, it would have been Obama.

    But, instead, he signed it. That should tell us something. Sadly, though, so far I've seen widespread condemnation of conservatives for this bill... even though it had bipartisan support.... and was signed by the President...
    Do you think that maybe it might be telling you that Levin's accusations were correct?

    Senator Carl Levin: Obama Required US Citizens To Be Included In Indefinite Detention!

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Do you think that maybe it might be telling you that Levin's accusations were correct?

    Senator Carl Levin: Obama Required US Citizens To Be Included In Indefinite Detention!
    could you possibly find a more biased source?

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    could you possibly find a more biased source?
    There are sources all over. I posted from KOS yesterday when someone else though they would try and simply dismiss the idea that perhaps Levin never said this and it was just made up.

    Obama had no problem targeting and killing an American citizen so this is somehow some biased conspiracy? The ACLU has now taken up with the Rush?

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...t-asked-for-it!!!!
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post

    Obama had no problem targeting and killing an American citizen so this is somehow some biased conspiracy? The ACLU has now taken up with the Rush?
    The days of confusion are quickly coming upon us, when up is down and left is right. When you see Green Peace, the ACLU and Stewart agreeing with Rush, Hannity and Cheney, then the 7th sign will appear with thunder from the clouds...lol
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There are sources all over. I posted from KOS yesterday when someone else though they would try and simply dismiss the idea that perhaps Levin never said this and it was just made up.

    Obama had no problem targeting and killing an American citizen so this is somehow some biased conspiracy?....
    Obama has never targeted anyone in the USA, citizen or otherwise, to be killed.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Obama has never targeted anyone in the USA, citizen or otherwise, to be killed.
    This is why it's a complete waste of time to even attempt to discuss anything with you.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is why it's a complete waste of time to even attempt to discuss anything with you.
    nor has Obama seeked to detain anyone legally in the USA, without charge/trial.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I believe it was a political vote, he didn't want to veto it because then the republicans would be able to drive home the message that he doesn't care about national defense and all that crap, but when it comes to something like this, anyone with integrity would be willing to sacrifice the next election and not let this unconstitutional crap become law. Just another sign of how disappointing he has been, I voted for a liberal, not Bush-Lite.
    Obama is to egotistical to sacrifice himself for anything. A "statesman" would, but he is no statesman. Besides, you are tossing political rhetoric around like a basketball.

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