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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you honestly believe that the DOD and FBI is going to start arresting Tea Baggers & OccuTards, and holding them forever without charge or trial?

    give me a break. This new NDAA (there is one every year), seems to have turned Chicken-Little into a national icon.
    The GOP pre-arrested people before the last convention they had during the last presidential election cycle. Is it really unheard of? Oversight into the use of the Patriot Act by the FBI turned up a significant number of instances where the power was abused. You say the government is going to reverse its direction and not abuse new laws? How would you even hear if someone is detained indefinitely?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The GOP pre-arrested people before the last convention they had during the last presidential election cycle. Is it really unheard of? Oversight into the use of the Patriot Act by the FBI turned up a significant number of instances where the power was abused. You say the government is going to reverse its direction and not abuse new laws? How would you even hear if someone is detained indefinitely?
    I didn't know the "GOP" could arrest people.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you honestly believe that the DOD and FBI is going to start arresting Tea Baggers & OccuTards, and holding them forever without charge or trial?

    give me a break. This new NDAA (there is one every year), seems to have turned Chicken-Little into a national icon.
    I didn't ask you, and I'm not really interested in what you have to say about it anyway.
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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I didn't ask you, and I'm not really interested in what you have to say about it anyway.
    I have the right to ask questions & shall continue to ask questions, whether you approve or not.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The GOP pre-arrested people before the last convention they had during the last presidential election cycle. Is it really unheard of? Oversight into the use of the Patriot Act by the FBI turned up a significant number of instances where the power was abused. You say the government is going to reverse its direction and not abuse new laws? How would you even hear if someone is detained indefinitely?
    The Republican Party has no police powers.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Republican Party has no police powers.
    I believe he has this confused with where they forced protestors into "approved" protest areas. Both parties have done this and both need kicked in the nuts for doing so.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that it will. There is your hope and change, Democrats, shredding the Constitution of the United States, right where the Bush administration left off. And if that isn't enough, there is yet another piece of hypocrisy embedded in this law...... Obama added a signing statement, saying that his administration will interpret the new law in such a way that American citizens would not be detained without due process guaranteed by the Constitution. I have a LOT of problems with this signing statement:

    1) First of all, and most obvious, Obama blasted Bush for using signing statements, and now here he is, using one.

    2) An Obama signing statement doesn't mean a thing, once Obama leaves office. A different president could negate it in a New York minute.

    3) Just because Democrats in Congress didn't have the backbone to challenge Bush on his signing statements doesn't mean that Congressional Republicans won't have the backbone too. On this, though, I must admit that Republicans will go along with the status quo, but their hatred of Obama does make this option pretty tempting. On that, I am rooting for the Republicans, should they decide to take this road.

    Here is the deal, folks. The Obama administration has let loose upon the land a law that is just as Odious as the Alien and Sedition Acts, which were signed into law by John Adams. The law is unconstitutional. Period. But where is the Democratic outcry in Congress..... You know, the kind of outcry we heard almost every day during Bush's reign? I only hear Democratic hypocrisy, cloaked in silence.

    Have we now entered the age of the twilight's last gleaming? It depends on the American people. If we are content to replace our interest in the political process with interest in Dancing with the Stars, Justin Bieber, and the rest of the garbage that passes for information these days, then we will get exactly the kind of Government we deserve. And Big Brother will be eternally grateful. Say goodbye to America, folks.

    Finally, if a case is ever to be made for a third party, this is it, just as long as they don't sell America down the river too.

    Article is here.
    I don't know if this has been brought up elsewhere in the thread, but the Obama administration isn't the only one who needs to be slammed - the Democrats and Republicans in the Senate and the House who wrote this legislation needs to be kicked out.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I believe he has this confused with where they forced protestors into "approved" protest areas. Both parties have done this and both need kicked in the nuts for doing so.
    these protest areas are for security purposes. in places like NYC, you need a balance between freedom & safety.

    sorry if folks don't like it, but we in NYC think it makes sense.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    No matter how many times it has been posted, it is inconclusive and based upon a somewhat nonspecific verbal claim made by one man (Sen. Levin), which is contradicted by Obama's signing statement. He said, she said.

    Furthermore, your own source contradicts Levin's claim:

    [John] Wood [of Change.org] also notes that the Obama administration never explicitly took issue with 1031, only Section 1032, which is “unrelated” to the indefinite detention provision.

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    Re: ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    [...] The bill still allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens on the President's whim.
    I don't see proof of that in the quotes you posted. Where is it? I'd like to see the actual language of the law.
    Well, you're being treated to some semantic shiftiness.... the following statement is also true:


    The bill allows for the indefinite confiscation of chocolate ice cream on the President's whim.

    Last edited by Karl; 01-04-12 at 06:56 PM.

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