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Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

TheNextEra said:
Yes, they do. You will have to ask ahead of time for an invite. You have no idea what you are talking about. Muslims are generally quite open to inviting others to see. Let me guess, you haven't tried have you?
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This has been my experience with Muslims as well. I've known a handful, so it's not a complete data set. But they're usually more than happy to discuss things, they didn't go nuts when they learned I was an atheist, they even invited me to their place of worship. But I had no interest in it. In countries with freedom of religion, Muslims co-exist very peacefully with others. It's the theocracies which really cause the problems.
 
The muslims here and in Malaysia speak a common language called Malay. Indonesia is the largest muslim population and the Indonesian language is somewhat similar to Malay. I speak both languages fluently and mingle with them practically everyday.
 
RDS said:
The muslims here and in Malaysia speak a common language called Malay. Indonesia is the largest muslim population and the Indonesian language is somewhat similar to Malay. I speak both languages fluently and mingle with them practically everyday.
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I've only met 1 Muslim that lived in Korea when I was there and all the other Muslims I know are from the U.S. What is your experience with the Malaysian Muslims?
 
TheNextEra said:
I've only met 1 Muslim that lived in Korea when I was there and all the other Muslims I know are from the U.S. What is your experience with the Malaysian Muslims?
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I travel to Malaysia often. They are our neighbour. They are a muslim country and quite moderate but 2 of the states practice Shariah Law and they are a progressive nation.
 
Mooslems versus commies - rightwing heads are exploding!
 
Ikari said:
This has been my experience with Muslims as well. I've known a handful, so it's not a complete data set. But they're usually more than happy to discuss things, they didn't go nuts when they learned I was an atheist, they even invited me to their place of worship. But I had no interest in it. In countries with freedom of religion, Muslims co-exist very peacefully with others. It's the theocracies which really cause the problems.
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Damn that Norway for being a Theocracy.....




j-mac
 
Norway? WTF?
 
misterman said:
Norway? WTF?
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Yeah, that's right Norway....Ikari said....

...Muslims co-exist very peacefully with others. It's the theocracies which really cause the problems.
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And I posted the report...I wasn't aware that Norway was a theocracy....Were you?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Damn that Norway for being a Theocracy.....




j-mac
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Are those native Muslims, or immigrant Muslims. If immigrant, where did they come from? Places with entrenched Islamic theocracy or places with religious freedom? What percentage of Norway's Muslim population fall into the trouble making crowd?
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, they do. You will have to ask ahead of time for an invite. You have no idea what you are talking about. Muslims are generally quite open to inviting others to see. Let me guess, you haven't tried have you?
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Yeah! Sure!
 
Ikari said:
Are those native Muslims, or immigrant Muslims. If immigrant, where did they come from? Places with entrenched Islamic theocracy or places with religious freedom? What percentage of Norway's Muslim population fall into the trouble making crowd?
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You're reaching dude....You made a pretty dumb statement, now you want to shift the parameters....Typical.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
You're reaching dude....You made a pretty dumb statement, now you want to shift the parameters....Typical.


j-mac
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No, I am not reaching at all. What I said remains true. I just asked you for data to support your claim and you deflect....typical. Theocracies are the problem. Those who grow up in environments of religious freedom tend to realize a lot more religious tolerance than those brought up in theocracy. Theocracies are the problem. You wanted to say that Norway has a problem with Muslims and is not a theocracy. It's not, but the Muslims you are talking about are those raised in theocracies and immigrating elsewhere. So my point stands. You can deflect all you want, it's typical of your debate style. But it doesn't go against what I had initially claimed.
 
apdst said:
Yeah! Sure!
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I could care less if you believe me or not, the plain simple FACT is your full of Bullsh*t when you say that Muslims don't allow non-Muslims into Mosques. Maybe if you actually tried you would see for yourself, but then you just seem to just hate Muslims and would prefer your sterotype of them rather than reality.
 
Ikari said:
No, I am not reaching at all. What I said remains true. I just asked you for data to support your claim and you deflect....typical. Theocracies are the problem. Those who grow up in environments of religious freedom tend to realize a lot more religious tolerance than those brought up in theocracy. Theocracies are the problem. You wanted to say that Norway has a problem with Muslims and is not a theocracy. It's not, but the Muslims you are talking about are those raised in theocracies and immigrating elsewhere. So my point stands. You can deflect all you want, it's typical of your debate style. But it doesn't go against what I had initially claimed.
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Ok, I think you are now saying something different here, than when you said:


...Muslims co-exist very peacefully with others. It's the theocracies which really cause the problems.
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See, I read this as you saying that the problem with the current perception of Muslims was not their fault but in those places that they lived that were non Islamic places, and that they see them as theocracies. Maybe I'm wrong in my reading of what you said, but it just seems that now you are shifting what you originally meant.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Ok, I think you are now saying something different here, than when you said:




See, I read this as you saying that the problem with the current perception of Muslims was not their fault but in those places that they lived that were non Islamic places, and that they see them as theocracies. Maybe I'm wrong in my reading of what you said, but it just seems that now you are shifting what you originally meant.


j-mac
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No, I'm not shifting what I said. Theocracies are the main problem. People raised in religious intolerance tend to go on with that intolerance. Others raised in religious tolerance tend to go on with that tolerance. In many of the secular governments, such as the US, there is an idealism of religious freedom. Here you don't see the overall aggressive and violent behavior in American Muslims that you may see from those brought up in the Middle East where religious law is typically entrenched into government law. Additionally it appears that those brought up in religiously intolerant areas also seem to fight against assimilation into new societies when they immigrate. Which is really what a lot of Europe is starting to see as Muslims immigrate to those countries on larger scales. Theocracy is toxic to freedom.
 
Ikari said:
No, I'm not shifting what I said. Theocracies are the main problem. People raised in religious intolerance tend to go on with that intolerance. Others raised in religious tolerance tend to go on with that tolerance. In many of the secular governments, such as the US, there is an idealism of religious freedom. Here you don't see the overall aggressive and violent behavior in American Muslims that you may see from those brought up in the Middle East where religious law is typically entrenched into government law. Additionally it appears that those brought up in religiously intolerant areas also seem to fight against assimilation into new societies when they immigrate. Which is really what a lot of Europe is starting to see as Muslims immigrate to those countries on larger scales. Theocracy is toxic to freedom.
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then I clearly misread what you were saying. And I apologize. Thank you for clearing that up.

j-mac
 
misterman said:
Mooslems versus commies - rightwing heads are exploding!
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Why does one have to take a side? Seems to me from a 'right wing' perspective, they couldnt give a **** less and would be pleased to see them tear each other apart. The difficulty would be from a left wingers perspective...hell...who do you support in THIS mess??? I mean...as long as you are making this a 'wing' thing...
 
China is not known for their religious tolerance or respect for faith. The state ideology is atheism and to be a member of the communist party you must be an atheist. They attack Christians, Muslims and other faiths (with a pass on Buddhism to some degree due to cultural influences). I think the Chinese government views religion as a competitor for power and thus tramples on human rights.
 
Communism I believe is always atheist in nature.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Communism I believe is always atheist in nature.

j-mac
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No, it's anti-theists in nature due to the State's desire to stamp out anything which could challenge its power, even gods. Anti-theocracies are just as dangerous as theocracies. Secular is what you need. Freedom of religion is a basic right and needs to be recognized by the State.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Naaa.. Marxian communism is. But there is many forms of religious communism.
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Ok, to tell the truth I am not sure, and don't know enough about it to say, so I defer to your understanding on that.


j-mac
 
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