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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I didn't make it a wing thing. It already was. I just observed it.

    Lots of righties hate Muslims. Lots of righties hate communists. Two observations.



    See, now you're getting into it!

    As for me, I basically support religious freedom and hate commies (or any authoritarians), so that's easy. Sure is easier for me than rightwingers, or some lefties I guess.

    How about you?
    Lots of lefties love 'moooslims'. Lots of lefties love communists. GOD this is a fun game...

    For me? I dont hate Muslims. I have worked next to and bled with Muslims in many Muslim countries for over 4 years. I recognize their are extremists and fundamentalists and they are hell bent on slaughtering any and everyone that not only isnt a Muslim but that isnt their SECT of Muslim...just like there are (a majority of) great and devoted Muslims who abhor violence. Im sure the majority of Chinese people are good folk. I recognize oppressive government behavior in China...Korea...and sometimes 9gasp) here int he US. I think its pretty foolish to make statements like ______ wingers are sure going to have a hard time deciding who to hate more. You apparently thought that was a good idea.

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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think its pretty foolish to make statements like ______ wingers are sure going to have a hard time deciding who to hate more. You apparently thought that was a good idea.
    No, actually, I don't. I'm just making a point about how you hear so much of that crap about "liberals" all the time.

    I now officially withdraw the comment.
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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    "conservatives", liberals" -- the the vast majority of those who describe themselves as one or the other fail miserably when it comes to addressing Islam. With so many supposed "liberals" offering little but knee jerk defense of this ultra conservative religion and so many conservatives assailing it for its lack of liberalism, one would almost think the terms are morphing into the opposite of their actual meanings.
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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It wasn't necessarily directed at you, just in general. You decide whether it needed to be.
    If it wasn't directed at m then don't use my name. If it was directed at me then use the boxed quote.

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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    they are not muslim,they are islamist,it must be easy to speak without any knowledge ..........

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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    "conservatives", liberals" -- the the vast majority of those who describe themselves as one or the other fail miserably when it comes to addressing Islam. With so many supposed "liberals" offering little but knee jerk defense of this ultra conservative religion and so many conservatives assailing it for its lack of liberalism, one would almost think the terms are morphing into the opposite of their actual meanings.
    But doesn't being "Conservative"', at least in the democracies', mean the traditional respect for the law and the attached human rights codes? Why shouldn't Islam be assailed by Conservatives for its lack of Liberalism? '

    There is a vast middle ground and that seems to be where the Conservative point of view lies.

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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If it wasn't directed at m then don't use my name. If it was directed at me then use the boxed quote.
    It was directed at your comment, in view of all.
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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But doesn't being "Conservative"', at least in the democracies', mean the traditional respect for the law and the attached human rights codes? Why shouldn't Islam be assailed by Conservatives for its lack of Liberalism? '

    There is a vast middle ground and that seems to be where the Conservative point of view lies.
    Believe me, Grant -- since "conservatives" are about the only ones in our liberal, western societies who do take Islam to task for it's illiberal attitudes, I would much rather hang with them during such discussions.

    It's one paradox few people understand since the only way to uphold liberalism in liberal societies is to conserve it.
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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Believe me, Grant -- since "conservatives" are about the only ones in our liberal, western societies who do take Islam to task for it's illiberal attitudes, I would much rather hang with them during such discussions.

    It's one paradox few people understand since the only way to uphold liberalism in liberal societies is to conserve it.
    Sure, and that's great.

    We just have to remember that it's counterproductive to that goal to attack all Muslims for the crimes of some. Some critics do that way too often. Muslims are often the victims of these illiberal acts too, and plenty more oppose them.
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    Re: Muslims clash with China police who destroyed mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Believe me, Grant -- since "conservatives" are about the only ones in our liberal, western societies who do take Islam to task for it's illiberal attitudes, I would much rather hang with them during such discussions.

    It's one paradox few people understand since the only way to uphold liberalism in liberal societies is to conserve it.
    Yes, I'm familiar with your views, always respect them, and see the irony in the "liberal" position.

    The 'liberals'' have come to stand for nothing but fear and appeasement.

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