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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Are you driving a nuclear or hydro-electric car? FYI, not all environmentalists oppose nuclear power.
    I didnt say they did, I believe I said "environmentalist wakko extremists" and there are enough of them that we cant build any new power stations.

    There is no such thing as a nuclear or hydro-electric car to drive, what does that have to do with alternative power generating stations?

    Isnt that what people are complaining about? The dependency on fossil fuels and the striving for alternative energy sources? We have 2 of the most reliable alternative energy sources but we cant get more because of those environmentalist wakko extremist groups fight the building of new ones to keep up with the demand for more power. Apparently insects and rodents are more important than mankind when it comes to power but they could care less about wind farms that are slaughter grounds for birds.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    We certainly do need a lot more nuclear. If you look closely, I think you'll find environmentalists are changing their tune on it. Advances in nuclear technology have made it much safer and waste disposal for more environmentally friendly. So they're much more open to it now than they were in the past.

    Wind and Solar are also PROVEN technologies. Plants are producing electricity right now.
    Solar is not a proven, reliable energy source. Its inefficiency and high cost makes us rely on other energy sources to produce power when the sun is not out supplying energy.
    Wind is not a proven, reliable energy source. The wind doesnt always blow to generate power and power storage capabilities are lack luster at best on both.

    Now both ARE viable assistants to providing power (in addition to what we currently have and use) but neither can provide enough power to supply the worlds demand.

    I like solar energy...as a back up / assistant to the customary power generating facilities but it is too far from being a solo energy source.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    I think you made that up, since in the ten years that hybrids have been on the road in the US there are NO cases of hybrid related vehicle fires on the road.
    Are you serious??? It's been all over the news lately and with a little effort you could have found numerous cases yourself.
    With gas prices on the continual rise (estimated to be at $4 a gallon by summer), coupled with the amount of money invested by car manufacturers in the R&D of Hybrid and Alternative fuel vehicles, it is certain that these vehicles will start to become more mainstream in the near future.

    The question now becomes - what is your department doing to address the issue? Do you have SOPs and training in place to educate your firefighters and provide a working knowledge of these vehicles? Are your personnel aware of the dangers they actually present and those they do not?
    Hybrid and Alternative Fuel Vehicles - Fire Engineering Training Community

    Due to the political climate for the environment and rising gas prices, the hybrid vehicle sales are on the rise. With this in mind first responders have been challenged with special dangers. Through training and education that results in familiarization on the design, features, and operations of the gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles, responders can take positive steps to ensure their safety as well as maintaining a manageable and predictable incident.
    Fire Training | City of Poquoson

    Today's emergency responders are facing unexpected challenges as new uses of alternative energy increase. These renewable power sources save on the use of conventional fuels such as petroleum and other fossil fuels, but they also introduce unfamiliar hazards that require new fire fighting strategies and procedures.
    Among these alternative energy uses are motor vehicles that utilize electric drive propulsion systems. This study focuses on electric drive and hybrid electric vehicles intended for roadway passenger use, and describes the variety of safety issues that these relatively new vehicles may present involving fire and/or rescue emergency situations either on the roadway or at charging/docking stations (e.g., garages).
    http://www.oregon.gov/DPSST/FT/docs/...Veh5-12-10.pdf

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    The drawback of solar is mainly when you compare it to traditional energy production, even newer styles like nuclear.

    It takes a field of solar panels that covers roughly 15 square miles( assume a generous 14-15 hours/day of good sunlight ) to generate the same amount of electricity as a nuclear plant.

    I happen to love wind turbines. I think they are great. They worked for the dutch, right? If environmentalists would stop worrying about the migratory habits of bats( see northern Ohio ), we would have more. There is a plan that's been stalled for years for wind turbines about 5 miles into Lake Erie where there is a constant wind, due to the difference in air/surface temprature.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    I would actually love to have an electric vehicle that I could drive around town and for short trips around the area. Nobody can afford them though and wont' be able to for some time.

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    AP Source: GM to call back 8,000 Chevy Volts - Yahoo! News

    DETROIT (AP) — General Motors will strengthen the structure around the batteries in its Volt electric cars to keep them safe during crashes, a person briefed on the matter said Thursday.
    GM will ask Volt owners to return the cars to dealers for structural modifications, said the person, who did not want to be identified because GM executives plan to announce the repairs later Thursday.
    The fixes are similar to a recall and involve about 8,000 Volts sold in the U.S. in the past two years. GM is making the repairs after three Volt batteries caught fire following crash tests done by federal safety regulators. The fires occurred seven days to three weeks after tests and have been blamed on a coolant leak that caused an electrical short.

    Notice the wording of the article...GM call back, not GM Recall - ask owners to return cars rather than sending out recall notices.

    OK. Had this been another car company who this had happened to, there would be wild accusations that the corporate greedy purposefully left the compartment weak to save money and dont care about peoples lives. Im sure it had absolutely nothing to do with cutting weight so the VOLT would get to that 99 MPG barrier and make the Government Motors Electric car look better than the competition......But beings this is Government Motors they seem to get a pass.

    Just imagine if that had been Toyota or Nissan.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    As long as pollution is free, and we do nothing to develop and promote alternatives, we will remain hostage to oil speculators and to rises in demand from other nations.

    Except that Co2 is NOT pollution. It's plant food. For Co2 to be pollution that means that your very breath is pollution.

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Except that Co2 is NOT pollution. It's plant food. For Co2 to be pollution that means that your very breath is pollution.

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    Put a plastic bag over your head for 10 minutes and let me know how that works out for you.

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Put a plastic bag over your head for 10 minutes and let me know how that works out for you.
    Cute. I didn't say that it was human food did I? So you can cut the attempt to be humorous, you're not very good at much other than snarky, insult.

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Cute. I didn't say that it was human food did I? So you can cut the attempt to be humorous, you're not very good at much other than snarky, insult.

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    If I'm looking for a humor critic I'll find someone who isn't completely humorless, thanks.

    The point is that anything can be "pollution" if it leads to problems. You're relying on a weak semantic argument.

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