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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    j-mac is the type of guy who would have been opposed to going to the Moon simply because it hadn't been done before and a Democrat was in office..

    If by being opposed to the moon you mean making my current source of energy more and more expensive because you want to replace it with unproven tech. then yes.

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If by being opposed to the moon you mean making my current source of energy more and more expensive because you want to replace it with unproven tech. then yes.

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    That makes absolutely no sense.

    1) nobody other than OPEC really controls gas prices
    2) gas prices aren't dependent on actual supply and demand but speculation
    3) even if by some weird miracle of that bizarre world you live in, alternative technology as it is today could influence gas prices, it would make gas prices go down because it would mean there is a worthwhile demand for alternative technology, which there isn't.

    In other words, you have no idea what it is you're talking about.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, there is a fire hazard because we are having unproven tech pushed on us before it is ready to be released, all because it is ideologically driven.


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    Really, j-mac? I suppose you're the type who'd go out and purchase a Honda Civic Hybrid long before buying an American hybrid car? But wait...

    You're such the patriot and a true supporter of American own businesses, right?

    You guys really crack me up! You sit there complaining about a small fraction of American made cars being recalled over a small correctable defect and why? Because it's a green energy car company the Obama Administration supported? Nevermind that besides for this little hickup the Fisker automobile is a damned good American made luxury, hybrid sports car!

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That makes absolutely no sense.

    1) nobody other than OPEC really controls gas prices
    2) gas prices aren't dependent on actual supply and demand but speculation
    3) even if by some weird miracle of that bizarre world you live in, alternative technology as it is today could influence gas prices, it would make gas prices go down because it would mean there is a worthwhile demand for alternative technology, which there isn't.

    In other words, you have no idea what it is you're talking about.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Seriously? 239 vehicles affected?

    When every other car manufacturer regularly issues recalls affecting hundreds of thousands of vehicles?
    No, only 50 vehicles are afflicted with this issue.

    Funny enough, they have only sold 50 of the vehicles. The other 189 are still sitting on dealer showrooms or on the factory parking lot.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Toyota is recalling 420,000 gas burners.
    Toyota recalling 420,000 cars - Nov. 9, 2011
    I suppose this happened because, "we are having unproven tech pushed on us before it is ready to be released, all because it is ideologically driven." Would that be your assessment?

    You missed the point. The funny of the whole situation...

    Fiskar said they couldnt find anyone in the US capable of assembling this car so thats why they took the US tax money over to Finland to assemble the car...because they have the "know how" and yet all that know how they have, they put the damn coolant hose assembly on wrong causing thermal reactions with the batteries and causing fires.

    If thats technical savvy and know how, I would hate to see inexperience.

    Reality, Fiscar took US money and ran to Finland with it because the tax rates on corporations are about half what they are here in the US and tried to save face for them and the administration (after Biden boasted and bragged about the loan) by saying there wasnt anyone here who could do the work.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    You missed the point. The funny of the whole situation...

    Fiskar said they couldnt find anyone in the US capable of assembling this car so thats why they took the US tax money over to Finland to assemble the car...because they have the "know how" and yet all that know how they have, they put the damn coolant hose assembly on wrong causing thermal reactions with the batteries and causing fires.

    If thats technical savvy and know how, I would hate to see inexperience.

    Reality, Fiscar took US money and ran to Finland with it because the tax rates on corporations are about half what they are here in the US and tried to save face for them and the administration (after Biden boasted and bragged about the loan) by saying there wasnt anyone here who could do the work.
    I didn't miss the point of the OP. j-mac was trying to say we're seeing this recall because 1) hose clamps are "new tech" (what???) and 2) production of electric cars is ideologically driven instead of technologically driven. I'm saying we see far larger recalls from "old tech" cars so this recall tells us nothing about the viability of electric cars.

    Personally, I would've preferred Fisker kept the production entirely in the US. Live and learn. Various people are making a big deal out of this to slam Obama and prove electric cars are a bad investment. I call bull****. Most American cars on the road today have components assembled in many countries. Fisker is simply following the auto-industry norm.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    j-mac was trying to say we're seeing this recall because 1) hose clamps are "new tech" (what???)
    Can you all see what goes on here with these dishonest liberals folks?

    I never said one damned word about 'hose clamps'....That for anyone with reading comprehension, and the ability to be truthful on these boards was a rather banal comment made by a lib, in a mocking effort to dismiss what I said, followed up by a bevy of other libs piling on and repeating the false narrative of that stupid comment. Now we get to this post and all the sudden it is somehow fact in this posters mind that this is what I was saying....See how this works? Allenski would be proud.

    2) production of electric cars is ideologically driven instead of technologically driven.
    The production of these cars is absolutely ideologically driven. If it were market driven we'd see many more of these cars on the road instead of in the lot. Second, if this were not driven by this so called 'green' race, and the rush to grab millions of yours and my money for free, and in this case to shuffle off to Europe to produce this fire hazard, then you tell me why this company has only sold 50 cars, and others that make these hybrids are not selling them either?

    I'm saying we see far larger recalls from "old tech" cars so this recall tells us nothing about the viability of electric cars.
    Compared to combustion engine technology, the numbers in use are nowhere close to comparable. I will however say that in this country, poorly made products, whether they are old tech, or new tech do not last on the market. No matter how much of my hard earned dollars you throw at it.

    Personally, I would've preferred Fisker kept the production entirely in the US. Live and learn.
    They took our money to develop this car, it should have been a requirement, not a preference.

    Various people are making a big deal out of this to slam Obama and prove electric cars are a bad investment.
    It would help the President's standing if we didn't see a pattern of funneling this taxpayer money out to crony's of the administration, and money bundlers for the Obama campaign apparatus. If this were a republican administration funneling money to their crony's, the left in this country would be losing their mind slamming them, so cry me a river that Obama rightly comes under scrutiny for these choices.

    I call bull****. Most American cars on the road today have components assembled in many countries. Fisker is simply following the auto-industry norm.
    I had no idea that 'status quot' was the message of Obama...I could have sworn that he campaigned on 'Hope, and Change'.....Seems like an awful lot of excuse making for this failure of a President.


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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I didn't miss the point of the OP. j-mac was trying to say we're seeing this recall because 1) hose clamps are "new tech" (what???) and 2) production of electric cars is ideologically driven instead of technologically driven. I'm saying we see far larger recalls from "old tech" cars so this recall tells us nothing about the viability of electric cars.

    Personally, I would've preferred Fisker kept the production entirely in the US. Live and learn. Various people are making a big deal out of this to slam Obama and prove electric cars are a bad investment. I call bull****. Most American cars on the road today have components assembled in many countries. Fisker is simply following the auto-industry norm.
    Well, it is a slap in the face to this administration where-as it is another "investment" to create jobs that has backfired on them. Either that or no one told them that were supposed to create jobs HERE....oops

    And I understand that the auto industry is getting parts from all over the world, but to take tax payer dollars to build a "green" car and create jobs here...then up and decide that there isnt enough skilled labor in the US? Thats even too far fetched for anyone to believe.

    Caterpilar opening up a new plant in China...with US tax payer money
    Solandra etc... and that whole "pay off your campaign supporter" bull...with tax payer money
    Jeff Imelt (sp?) from GE being appointed as jobs czar to create jobs here in the US - while closing its Mich plant, laying off those workers and moving those jobs to China

    Either this administration is completely inept or just plain stupidly obvious that it cares more for their campaign supporters and donors than it does the American people.


    And where is this energy to plug in these cars supposed to come from? The foreign oil we are trying so hard to break away from or the fossil fuel plants Obama has sworn to tax out of existence (his words, not mine).
    AEP (American Electric Power) has already stated that it will close 5 power generating facilities in the US in 2012 because of new EPA regulations laying off approximately 15,000 workers.

    I agree that we need to work on alternative energy sources, but we cant keep cutting off our noses to spite our faces. We have enough oil between the US & Canada to completely eliminate the need for overseas foreign crude. We should exploit those resources, creating jobs and thus a larger tax base rather than sending money overseas to countries that despise us.

    In addition, the second those companies who took federal monies (our tax dollars) announced they were opening new plants abroad, they should have been made to give back the tax payer money....money we dont have to start with and had to borrow.
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