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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    That's a far shorter list than 32,000 wouldn't you say?

    And for the record, I'm against cap and trade, or even taxing CO2-producing industries. I am for encouraging the development of cleaner industries and systems (such as cars). I think they should be encouraged to the point that electric cars, for example, are a superior option than gas-burning cars. If such things are encouraged to develop they will get better and better and cheaper and cheaper. So if you don't like the idea of buying a Fisker. That's totally fine. Don't. Other people will want them and it should make no difference to you if a Fisker is their car of choice. Let the electric economy mature just as the oil economy was permitted (and encouraged) to mature, then lets compare them.

    Actually, I am not against what you say here. I watched the video earlier in the thread, and actually think that the Fisker is a pretty cool car. I don't like the idea that I am being forced to buy one though on the predicate that the cars I own are trash due to the political agenda of those in power that think that they can "nudge" me into buying one.

    If the market produces an alternative to the say, Ford, F-150 4x4 that fits my needs, is inexpensive to own, will last as long, and do better for the environment, then I am all for it, if I chose to buy one.

    But, I am not going to buy one if 1. I don't need to replace what I have, and 2. some green weenie tells me I have to.

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Come on now, let's not engage in selective quoting, shall we?

    And now for the rest of the story:
    Oh give me a break...David 'I never met an enviro weenie cause I didn't support' Olinger? You bitch about selective quoting, then in the same breath highlight probably one of the most far left green whacko's in journalism.

    pfft...GTFH with that pap.


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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh give me a break...David 'I never met an enviro weenie cause I didn't support' Olinger? You bitch about selective quoting, then in the same breath highlight probably one of the most far left green whacko's in journalism.

    pfft...GTFH with that pap.


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    Really? That's the first I've heard of that. Do you have some links establishing Olinger's bias?

    Because I could fill a warehouse with information establishing Singer's bias, and the "Heartland Institute", and all the other clowns you cite. Here's a thought: instead of citing half-assed petitions slapped together by AGW deniers, perhaps you could cite to some peer-reviewed scientific articles that support your view?

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Really? That's the first I've heard of that. Do you have some links establishing Olinger's bias?

    Because I could fill a warehouse with information establishing Singer's bias, and the "Heartland Institute", and all the other clowns you cite. Here's a thought: instead of citing half-assed petitions slapped together by AGW deniers, perhaps you could cite to some peer-reviewed scientific articles that support your view?

    Blah, blah, blah....You are the minority that still buy's this crap.

    Given the widely noted increase in the warming effects of rising greenhouse gas concentrations, it has been unclear why global surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008. We find that this hiatus in warming coincides with a period of little increase in the sum of anthropogenic and natural forcings. Declining solar insolation as part of a normal eleven-year cycle, and a cyclical change from an El Nino to a La Nina dominate our measure of anthropogenic effects because rapid growth in short-lived sulfur emissions partially offsets rising greenhouse gas concentrations. As such, we find that recent global temperature records are consistent with the existing understanding of the relationship among global surface temperature, internal variability, and radiative forcing, which includes anthropogenic factors with well known warming and cooling effects.

    Reconciling anthropogenic climate change with observed temperature 1998
    Only recently, faced with a gap between the climate reality and alarmist theory that was too great to ignore, has official climate science begun to admit the facts to the public.

    And so, in June, the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) published a peer-reviewed article that began: “Data for global surface temperature indicate little warming between 1998 and 2008. Furthermore, global surface temperature declines 0.2 C between 2005 and 2008.”(3) (As we will see below, the cooling trend has continued past 2008 despite a warm, El Nino-influenced 2010.)

    Early in August, a press release from the British Meteorological Office admitted there had been no warming—the Met delicately called it “a pause in the warming”—in the upper 700 metres of the world’s oceans since, get this, 2003.(4) Yet, for the past eight years, the Met has warned the public about a dangerous heating up of the oceans.

    FALSE ALARM: Why Almost Everything We’ve Been Told About Global Warming is Misleading, Exaggerated, or Plain Wrong
    Much like the kooks during the 70s that were screaming about another ice age, along with the homeless corner preacher spouting 'repent the end is near' AGW true believers will be relegated to nut status soon, if not already.


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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Blah, blah, blah....You are the minority that still buy's this crap.





    Much like the kooks during the 70s that were screaming about another ice age, along with the homeless corner preacher spouting 'repent the end is near' AGW true believers will be relegated to nut status soon, if not already.


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    So you have no evidence to support your claim about Olinger, not surprisinlgy.

    I have no idea what you think the first cite proves. The second cite is to a climate change denier blog -- not a peer-reviewed journal.

    You are obviously getting your science education from right-wing punditainers.

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually, I am not against what you say here. I watched the video earlier in the thread, and actually think that the Fisker is a pretty cool car. I don't like the idea that I am being forced to buy one though on the predicate that the cars I own are trash due to the political agenda of those in power that think that they can "nudge" me into buying one.

    If the market produces an alternative to the say, Ford, F-150 4x4 that fits my needs, is inexpensive to own, will last as long, and do better for the environment, then I am all for it, if I chose to buy one.

    But, I am not going to buy one if 1. I don't need to replace what I have, and 2. some green weenie tells me I have to.
    Exactly. You should replace your car with an electric because it fits your needs. Not just to be cool or keep up with the Jones'. That's nonsense. I don't know of any electric that could replace an F-150 4x4 so you shouldn't feel the pressure is directed at you. The same goes for Sawyerloggingon who lives far from the grid and where 4x4s are essential. There's nothing that can replace his car right now. Soccer moms who only drive a mile for their groceries and their kids to school oughta be the ones looking at alternatives. Even then it's still a choice, not a directive. Hopefully, superior gas mileage will be the thing that helps them make that choice.
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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So you have no evidence to support your claim about Olinger, not surprisinlgy.

    I have no idea what you think the first cite proves. The second cite is to a climate change denier blog -- not a peer-reviewed journal.

    You are obviously getting your science education from right-wing punditainers.

    Ok, we're done with this line....The moment you start using terminology like 'denier' in your rhetoric it is clear that you are attempting to troll, and provoke, and not discuss. To equate not believing in AGW to that of a holocaust denier is disgusting, and if it were up to me, I'd boot your trolling ass right out of here.


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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Exactly. You should replace your car with an electric because it fits your needs. Not just to be cool or keep up with the Jones'. That's nonsense. I don't know of any electric that could replace an F-150 4x4 so you shouldn't feel the pressure is directed at you. The same goes for Sawyerloggingon who lives far from the grid and where 4x4s are essential. There's nothing that can replace his car right now. Soccer moms who only drive a mile for their groceries and their kids to school oughta be the ones looking at alternatives. Even then it's still a choice, not a directive. Hopefully, superior gas mileage will be the thing that helps them make that choice.

    It will if Obama keeps in place policies that keep gas pricing high....But, then again that could be seen as government force couldn't it?

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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, we're done with this line....The moment you start using terminology like 'denier' in your rhetoric it is clear that you are attempting to troll, and provoke, and not discuss. To equate not believing in AGW to that of a holocaust denier is disgusting, and if it were up to me, I'd boot your trolling ass right out of here.


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    Did you not just write this? "Oh give me a break...David 'I never met an enviro weenie cause I didn't support' Olinger? You bitch about selective quoting, then in the same breath highlight probably one of the most far left green whacko's in journalism."


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    Re: Fisker Recalling 239 Karma Plug-In Hybrids for Fire Hazard

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Did you not just write this? "Oh give me a break...David 'I never met an enviro weenie cause I didn't support' Olinger? You bitch about selective quoting, then in the same breath highlight probably one of the most far left green whacko's in journalism."

    Yep, I did. And you are still a troll.


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