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    With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    In his last official act of business in 2011, President Barack Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act from his vacation rental in Kailua, Hawaii. In a statement, the president said he did so with reservations about key provisions in the law — including a controversial component that would allow the military to indefinitely detain terror suspects, including American citizens arrested in the United States, without charge.


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    The president defended his action, writing that he signed the act, “chiefly because it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, crucial services for service members and their families, and vital national security programs that must be renewed.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...n-of-citizens/


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    Mr. President, either you're lying about why you signed this bill, or you're a coward. Either you're happy the Presidency has a new tool to put in the chest, or you didn't have the guts to tell Congress to send you an authorization bill without that junk attached. Either Congress sent it to you knowing you'd be pleased to sign it despite all of your public bellyaching, or they knew they had you outgunned.

    Either way, you're an embarrassment to the office and to the country. You sold us out. Go **** yourself.
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    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    I'm in complete agreement with that statement. Mirrors my feelings exactly.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    The Bill does not allow the indefinite detention without trial/charge of any legal residents of the USA. This includes citizens, tourists, and folks with Green Cards & Permanent Residency status.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident
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    e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
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    bare in mind if this law somehow changed existing law, to now allow for the indefinite detention without trial/charge, of any legal residents of the USA, I too would be yelling bloody murder and probably call for a popular uprising.

    but the fact is, this law changes nothing. No citizens of the USA nor legal residents of the USA, shall be detained indefinitely without charge/trial, due to this law or due to any current law.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Bill does not allow the indefinite detention without trial/charge of any legal residents of the USA.
    And this was why Obama had "reservations." Because there were restrictions on detaining someone unconstitutionally.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    And this was why Obama had "reservations." Because there were restrictions on detaining someone unconstitutionally.
    that's not what his reservations are about.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    but the fact is, this law changes nothing. No citizens of the USA nor legal residents of the USA, shall be detained indefinitely without charge/trial, due to this law or due to any current law.

    I am fully aware that the requirement for military detention does not impact citizens. That's not what I'm talking about.

    What I'm talking about is the option for the indefinite detention of citizens. It is a fact that the bill, every public defense of the bill, the President's statements about his reservations on the bill and the President's signing statement of the bill fail to specifically exclude the indefinite detention of citizens:

    Quote Originally Posted by Signing Statement
    Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any “existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”
    Quote Originally Posted by Signing Statement
    My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.
    If the President really wanted to calm us down, he would've stated categorically that this law did not apply to American citizens on American soil, and if the authors had wanted to protect our rights they would've said the same explicitly in the bill. Instead, they just say "well, I'd NEVER" and state that the President's authority on the subject hasn't been expanded. Not words of comfort.

    Then there's the words of the retired generals objecting to the NDAA:

    “Due process would be a thing of the past,” wrote Gens Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar. “Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States – and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.”
    Then there's the words of a wide variety of civil liberty advocates who are concerned that this law does, in fact, grant the Executive to arrest citizens on American soil and hold them indefinitely.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...n-of-citizens/


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    Mr. President, either you're lying about why you signed this bill, or you're a coward. Either you're happy the Presidency has a new tool to put in the chest, or you didn't have the guts to tell Congress to send you an authorization bill without that junk attached. Either Congress sent it to you knowing you'd be pleased to sign it despite all of your public bellyaching, or they knew they had you outgunned.

    Either way, you're an embarrassment to the office and to the country. You sold us out. Go **** yourself.
    Scary how the President of the United States only function is to be nothing more than tool for the real people behind the scenes who really make the decisons.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    ...If the President really wanted to calm us down, he would've stated categorically that this law did not apply to American citizens on American soil,...
    the bill already says that.

    why should Obama try to ease the fears of those who have already made their minds about this bill, and likely would simply hand-wave away anything Obama says.

    regardless of the facts, some folks WANT to believe that this bill creates a new ability for the military to detain American citizens & legal aliens indefinitely without charge/trial. this is what they WANT to believe, and so..they believe it.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Scary how the President of the United States only function is to be nothing more than tool for the real people behind the scenes who really make the decisons.
    yes.....sounds like a REAL conspiracy!!

    who are the true puppet-masters? The Illuminati? The New World Order?


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