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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    So you have a study asking people that get freebies, if they like their freebies and expect them to say Nooooo, I hate them....Yeah ok....*Yawn*
    I see. No response. Typical.
    How else would one respond to the ridiculous? Do you expect anyone to take it seriously?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you have a study asking people that get freebies, if they like their freebies and expect them to say Nooooo, I hate them....Yeah ok....*Yawn*


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    You've switched instantly from one idiotic argument that failed (and which you failed to admit when it failed) to another. Medicare isn't free. Check your paycheck.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    So you have a study asking people that get freebies, if they like their freebies and expect them to say Nooooo, I hate them....Yeah ok....*Yawn*
    Actually, as stupid as it sounds, there are tons of people who get everything handed to them by the government and still whine about it. Some people are never happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Now, if there were no Medicare program, we seniors would be SOL. Who is going to provide insurance to the most expensive demographic?
    It would have to be their own savings.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It would have to be their own savings.
    Now, that's just so far out of touch as to be downright funny.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    I don't really see the question of whether the detention program applies to citizens too or only non-citizens as particularly important. I oppose the detention system as a whole, so I guess I'd rather have it apply to fewer people rather than more, but at the same time it seems inconsistent to have it only apply to non-citizens. You can have a citizen and a non-citizen that are almost identically situated. For example, two brothers, one of them was born while his parents were visiting the US, the other was born a year later when they were back in Canada. Both of them moved to Afghanistan, got involved with the same organization, and were arrested side by side, but one of them has full constitutional protections and is handled through the criminal justice system while the other is shipped off to a secret prison to be tortured? That doesn't make sense to me.

    Whatever the urgent necessities are that supposedly require the suspension of the rule of law are, if they're important enough to take such an intensely drastic step for non-citizens, certainly they're not outweighed by somebody happening to have a piece of paperwork saying they're a citizen.

    Ideally what we should do is eliminate the detainee status completely and just go back to the days when you were either a POW or you were handled through the criminal courts.

    But, failing that, if we need to have a detainee status, we need to create a clearer and more sensible line for who falls in that status. It needs to be clearly limited to people involved in terrorist acts against the United States whether they are citizens or not. Right now we're using that status for everything from former Iraqi military to insurgents to people who were caught committing some kind of ordinary crime in a war zone. People that support the detainee system support it because they picture Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but very few of the actual detainees are connected with actual terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You've switched instantly from one idiotic argument that failed (and which you failed to admit when it failed) to another. Medicare isn't free. Check your paycheck.
    Absolutely, and people that have paid into the system their entire lives, or even those close to retirement, 50 y.o. and above, would not see any change. But clearly a system that is tens of trillions of dollars upside down can not continue on its current path, or else everyone will lose it.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    [...] clearly a system that is tens of trillions of dollars upside down can not continue on its current path [...]
    What system is that?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Absolutely, and people that have paid into the system their entire lives, or even those close to retirement, 50 y.o. and above, would not see any change. But clearly a system that is tens of trillions of dollars upside down can not continue on its current path, or else everyone will lose it.


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    "Tens of trillions" may be just a slight exaggeration, but, yes, Medicare will have to be reformed, or the costs will be too much to pay. Further, Medicare is a part of our health care system, all of which has to be reformed before the costs eat us alive.

    Right now, I don't see the will or the cooperation necessary to do more than throw thirty second sound bytes at the problem and use it for partisan bickering.

    So, my prediction is that the situation will get a lot worse than it is now before anyone is able to step up to the plate and make any meaningful changes.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    The sad thing is any effort at real reform can't get beyond the partisan bickering and ideaological silliness to actually get to problem solving. Such has always derailed reform.

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