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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Wait a minute...Are we really talking of misterman using a poll generated by a site that states that anyone can create their own poll?

    Now, he calls it a survey?

    You HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But they only get emergency treatment of those things. They don't get complete, consistent care.
    They get whole hospital treatment for anything medically necessary. Intensive care, medical/surgical stays, psychiatric inpatient, you name it. No unit of any hospital is off limits to any uninsured person.

    What you're complaining about is that they don't also receive free outpatient clinic care.

    Seriously, dude, how much do you think you'd have to pay for private insurance as an unemployed, high-risk guy - i.e. a retiree? Medicare exists for a reason.
    Do you know how much we're set up to have to pay for Medicare with money we don't even have? Who cares what you think the reason is for it? It's unfundable.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute...Are we really talking of misterman using a poll generated by a site that states that anyone can create their own poll?
    No, we're not.

    The survey I cited was a legitimate scientific poll conducted by a legitimate academic group.

    Meeting Enrollees' Needs: How Do Medicare and Employer Coverage Stack Up? - The Commonwealth Fund

    You could have just went and looked.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, we're not.

    The survey I cited was a legitimate scientific poll conducted by a legitimate academic group.

    Meeting Enrollees' Needs: How Do Medicare and Employer Coverage Stack Up? - The Commonwealth Fund

    You could have just went and looked.

    You mean you didn't post this?...

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman
    Poll: Americans are more satisfied with Medicare than private healthcare insurance



    Poll: Americans are more satisfied with Medicare than private healthcare insurance | SwampBubbles - News, Politics, Reports

    Really?


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You mean you didn't post this?...




    Really?


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    Um, if you click on that link, it show you this link:

    Meeting Enrollees' Needs: How Do Medicare and Employer Coverage Stack Up? - The Commonwealth Fund

    Which is the survey I referred to. I guess I should have posted that link so as not to confuse you.

    Details of the survey:
    Meeting Enrollees' Needs: How Do Medicare and Employer Coverage Stack Up?

    May 12, 2009

    Authors: Karen Davis, Ph.D., Stuart Guterman, Michelle M. Doty, Ph.D., and Kristof M. Stremikis
    Journal: Health Affairs Web Exclusive, May 12, 2009, w521–w532
    Contact: Michelle M. Doty, Director of Survey Research, The Commonwealth Fund, mmd@cmwf.org
    Summary Writers: Tammy Worth

    Synopsis

    In a national Commonwealth Fund survey, elderly Medicare beneficiaries reported greater overall satisfaction with their health coverage, better access to care, and fewer problems paying medical bills than people covered by employer-sponsored plans. The findings bolster the argument that offering a public insurance plan similar to Medicare to the under-65 population has the potential to improve access and reduce costs.

    About the Study

    The authors used data from the Commonwealth Fund 2007 Biennial Health Insurance Survey to compare how patients felt about access and cost under Medicare and employer-sponsored plans. Princeton Survey Research Associates International conducted the survey by telephone with adults in the United States over age 19. The survey response rate was 47 percent. The 25-minute phone interview included questions about health care access, out-of-pocket spending, benefit information, and demographic characteristics.
    So what exactly is your problem with this?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Um, if you click on that link, it show you this link:

    Meeting Enrollees' Needs: How Do Medicare and Employer Coverage Stack Up? - The Commonwealth Fund

    Which is the survey I referred to. I guess I should have posted that link so as not to confuse you.

    Details of the survey:


    So what exactly is your problem with this?

    So you have a study asking people that get freebies, if they like their freebies and expect them to say Nooooo, I hate them....Yeah ok....*Yawn*


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you have a study asking people that get freebies, if they like their freebies and expect them to say Nooooo, I hate them....Yeah ok....*Yawn*


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    Meeting Enrollees' Needs: How Do Medicare and Employer Coverage Stack Up?

    May 12, 2009

    Authors: Karen Davis, Ph.D., Stuart Guterman, Michelle M. Doty, Ph.D., and Kristof M. Stremikis
    Journal: Health Affairs Web Exclusive, May 12, 2009, w521–w532
    Contact: Michelle M. Doty, Director of Survey Research, The Commonwealth Fund, mmd@cmwf.org
    Summary Writers: Tammy Worth

    Synopsis

    In a national Commonwealth Fund survey, elderly Medicare beneficiaries reported greater overall satisfaction with their health coverage, better access to care, and fewer problems paying medical bills than people covered by employer-sponsored plans. The findings bolster the argument that offering a public insurance plan similar to Medicare to the under-65 population has the potential to improve access and reduce costs.

    About the Study

    The authors used data from the Commonwealth Fund 2007 Biennial Health Insurance Survey to compare how patients felt about access and cost under Medicare and employer-sponsored plans. Princeton Survey Research Associates International conducted the survey by telephone with adults in the United States over age 19. The survey response rate was 47 percent. The 25-minute phone interview included questions about health care access, out-of-pocket spending, benefit information, and demographic characteristics.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    I see. No response. Typical.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    I've been on Medicare for almost a year now.

    The only difference I can see between Medicare and employee provided health care is that i don't have to worry about being laid off and losing my medical insurance. No more worries about getting sick, losing my job because I'm too sick to work, then losing my medical insurance due to not being employed, then losing my house and savings due to medical bills, then having to go on Medicaid.

    Other than that, I have the same access to health care I had before.

    Now, if there were no Medicare program, we seniors would be SOL. Who is going to provide insurance to the most expensive demographic?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see. No response. Typical.


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    I thought the response was clear:

    Meeting Enrollees' Needs: How Do Medicare and Employer Coverage Stack Up?

    May 12, 2009

    Authors: Karen Davis, Ph.D., Stuart Guterman, Michelle M. Doty, Ph.D., and Kristof M. Stremikis
    Journal: Health Affairs Web Exclusive, May 12, 2009, w521–w532
    Contact: Michelle M. Doty, Director of Survey Research, The Commonwealth Fund, mmd@cmwf.org
    Summary Writers: Tammy Worth

    Synopsis

    In a national Commonwealth Fund survey, elderly Medicare beneficiaries reported greater overall satisfaction with their health coverage, better access to care, and fewer problems paying medical bills than people covered by employer-sponsored plans. The findings bolster the argument that offering a public insurance plan similar to Medicare to the under-65 population has the potential to improve access and reduce costs.

    About the Study

    The authors used data from the Commonwealth Fund 2007 Biennial Health Insurance Survey to compare how patients felt about access and cost under Medicare and employer-sponsored plans. Princeton Survey Research Associates International conducted the survey by telephone with adults in the United States over age 19. The survey response rate was 47 percent. The 25-minute phone interview included questions about health care access, out-of-pocket spending, benefit information, and demographic characteristics.
    A clear and honest reading of what he posts destroys your point. They weren't asked if they liked freebees. Nor is anything free, btw.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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