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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, that would be interesting, but not a complete study.
    Who claimed a study?


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    False. There are plenty of different ideas and policies in government, even at the federal level.
    Who else's policy does the Obama Administration push? Answer: No one else's policies buy Obama's.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Claiming that the private sector is perfect is obtuse.
    Good thing no one's doing that then. :

    Nice strawman though... you're good at those.


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Government does a good job sometimes and a crappy job sometimes. The private sector does a good job sometimes and a crappy job sometimes.
    You're certainly entitled to your opinion on the subject. How's government track record on being an insurance company?


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Poll: Americans are more satisfied with Medicare than private healthcare insurance
    Where in the satisfaction survey does it show how well the government runs Medicare? How efficient it is?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Who claimed a study?
    You didn't. That's the point. Your relative can't provide enough information.

    Who else's policy does the Obama Administration push? Answer: No one else's policies buy Obama's.
    But it's not like he only has one policy, or gets no input from the people, or never changes....

    Where in the satisfaction survey does it show how well the government runs Medicare? How efficient it is?
    I showed you the survey. You can't deal with reality.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You didn't. That's the point.
    You're point is to make logical fallacies. I can see that...


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But it's not like he only has one policy, or gets no input from the people, or never changes....
    Who else's policy would he have? He hears different opinions from his Cabinet but those opinions all follow his general policies. Are you claiming multiple people on Obama's staff are seriously suggesting and pushing for Conservative healthcare policies?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I showed you the survey. You can't deal with reality.
    The survey is worthless... your reality is a joke.


    Anything else you need help with?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're point is to make logical fallacies. I can see that...
    No fallacy. Just pointing out that your relative's perspective, while valuable, is extremely limited.

    Who else's policy would he have? He hears different opinions from his Cabinet but those opinions all follow his general policies. Are you claiming multiple people on Obama's staff are seriously suggesting and pushing for Conservative healthcare policies?
    I said what I said. The government has many different ideas, policies, approaches, etc. Obama doesn't run every little detail. The government doesn't lack any flexibility, or do everything top down, etc. Do I have to say this again or do you get it this time?

    The survey is worthless... your reality is a joke.
    It's not worthless, you're just in denial. Lame.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Poll: Americans are more satisfied with Medicare than private healthcare insurance

    Poll: Americans are more satisfied with Medicare than private healthcare insurance | SwampBubbles - News, Politics, Reports
    If we had a program furnishing every American with an Italian sports car, I'm sure people would be satisfied with that too.

    In other words, if they grasped the fiscal issues it's creating for us, fewer would be satisfied with it.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    If we had a program furnishing every American with an Italian sports car, I'm sure people would be satisfied with that too.

    In other words, if they grasped the fiscal issues it's creating for us, fewer would be satisfied with it.
    Are you thinking of a Fiat?










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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    If we had a program furnishing every American with an Italian sports car, I'm sure people would be satisfied with that too.
    The survey blows away the claim that Medicare is somehow providing substandard care, or a frustrating bureauracy. I didn't say it proved it was perfect. It has financial problems, for sure - like lots of private businesses do though. The point is made.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No fallacy.
    Then you need to brush up on what a fallacy is... no one mentioned a study, therefore you created a strawman.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I said what I said.
    Someone claimed you didn't say what you said?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The government has many different ideas, policies, approaches, etc. Obama doesn't run every little detail.
    The DNC of which Obama is the defacto leader pushed DNC and Obama's policies. No one elses. You didn't answer my question.... wonder why?
    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Do I have to say this again or do you get it this time?
    Repeating nonsense doesn't make it true - but feel free to repeat it as much as you want. No one else is listening to you except me and if you think you repeating BS will make it true - go for it. Ctrl+C / Ctrl+V is your friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's not worthless, you're just in denial. Lame.
    A survey doesn't do anything except poll a small sample of people's OPINIONS. Just who are you trying to convince of your alternate-reality?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They get patched together in an emergency room and then skip out on the bill, leaving the rest of us to pay the tab. What a system, certainly one worthy of a great and wealth country like the USA.
    Amazing that anyone would argue this is a great way to approach the problem.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then you need to brush up on what a fallacy is... no one mentioned a study, therefore you created a strawman.
    Sigh.

    The point is that you NEED a study. The fact that you didn't mention one is the PROBLEM. Only a good study would give you the data you need, not just asking a relative who works in an ER.

    A survey doesn't do anything except poll a small sample of people's OPINIONS. Just who are you trying to convince of your alternate-reality?
    Customers being happy with results is worthless? You'd make a crappy businessman in the private sector.
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