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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They get patched together in an emergency room and then skip out on the bill, leaving the rest of us to pay the tab. What a system, certainly one worthy of a great and wealth country like the USA.
    It's not just that, in 2014 what will have to happen is insurance companies cannot deny coverage and cannot raise costs on coverage for pre-existing conditions even though the treatments for those conditions could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, for example, kidney dialysis. Therefore, the insurance coverage for everyone will go up or, health insurance coverage for those who are healthy or relatively healthy will go up in order to compensate. Nothing is actually being done about the costs ... yeah... remember the whole reason for health insurance reform... it was to make the system more efficient and REDUCE THE COST. Yeah, well... that's not gonna happen. In fact, health care coverage will eventually bankrupt this country.



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    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Pure rubbish.
    Feel free to prove me wrong with all my "rubbish".
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Feel free to prove me wrong with all my "rubbish".
    Already done on this thread. But it's not really a provable/disprovable point, just a bit of lame, unsupported, way overstated rightwing hyperbole. Like most rightwing hyperbole.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not just that, in 2014 what will have to happen is insurance companies cannot deny coverage and cannot raise costs on coverage for pre-existing conditions even though the treatments for those conditions could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, for example, kidney dialysis. Therefore, the insurance coverage for everyone will go up or, health insurance coverage for those who are healthy or relatively healthy will go up in order to compensate. Nothing is actually being done about the costs ... yeah... remember the whole reason for health insurance reform... it was to make the system more efficient and REDUCE THE COST. Yeah, well... that's not gonna happen. In fact, health care coverage will eventually bankrupt this country.



    The Video at the below link starts about healthcare at 1:25

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    Now, you have the cost control right. The so called "Obamacare" bill isn't going to make costs go down. The only way to control costs is to have a genuine universal heath care system such as exists in the rest of the advanced nations.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Key word is "spent." Yes, the cash was spent, but it wasn't just looted from SS, it was borrowed, with interest. Yes, it will have to be paid back. But that's different from saying it won't be paid back.
    It will only be paid back if we do not allow the GOP to privatize SS or reduce benefits.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thanks for that irrelevant bit of information.
    It may be irrelevant to you. It is not to those that find private health insurance unaffordable.


    The exception and not the rule. Thanks for proving my insight correct.
    "In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.

    45 states out of 50 is the exception not the rule according to your math?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Gov't accomplishments:

    1. Hoover Dam (among others).

    2. Created U.S. postal system (despite recent troubles, it has been quite an accomplishment for many decades).

    3. Harnessed Mississippi and Ohio rivers for navigation.

    4. Created atomic bomb.

    5. Created interstate highway system.

    6. Put a man on the moon.

    7. Created internet.

    8. Put remote control rovers on Mars.

    And that's just off the top of my head. Now don't you feel foolish parroting that moronic right wing talking point?
    Hardly... the atomic bomb? Really??

    You don't seem to get it... when the Government steps in and manages something - it's a failure.

    1. Postal System
    2. Amtrak
    3. Obama Care (see previous post) which will eventually bankrupt the country
    4. The entire K-12 U.S. Educational system
    5. Energy Grid
    6. Roads and Bridges which were created but cannot be repaired
    7. Medicare overspending for drugs
    8. Freddie and Fannie

    And since you'd like to go all the way back to the Hoover Dam, let's throw in

    9. Vietnam
    10. Bay of Pigs
    11. The Military Industrial Complex
    12. U.S. Federal Reserve (including QE1 and QE2)
    13. The INS

    Now don't you feel foolish parroting moronic liberal talking points from MSNBC?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It may be irrelevant to you.
    It's irrelevant to this discussion.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The fact that SS recipients have never missed a payment says otherwise.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business...on-mark-today/

    But you knew this.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Already done on this thread. But it's not really a provable/disprovable point, just a bit of lame, unsupported, way overstated rightwing hyperbole. Like most rightwing hyperbole.
    Ahh with the invisible facts... yes... I'll make squint harder next time I want to flush my time down the toilet talking to you. Since you got nothing except foolish claims of my hyperbole when at the exact same time blathering only hyperbole of your own; the hypocrisy and irony is almost ludicrous. Do you even see what you did?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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