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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    Do you have anything more reliable than a partisan hack site?
    The quotes were from Bush himself.
    Do you have anything more reliable than a partisan hack?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Any politician that tells you that there is a surplus in any program is lying to you.
    Not really. There was a "surplus" then, in the sense that the government was taking in more in SS taxes than it was paying out. But it was an annual surplus, not a horde of cash like in a savings account.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    During his campaign, he said we had 2.6 trillion dollar surplus, which he intended to protect. At the conclusion of this term, he said it was all gone, it had been spent. Borrowing from the SS surplus for general fund use is indeed allowed, and along with it comes the requirement to pay it back.
    Key word is "spent." Yes, the cash was spent, but it wasn't just looted from SS, it was borrowed, with interest. Yes, it will have to be paid back. But that's different from saying it won't be paid back.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Then they were lying to you. The entry might have been there but the money wasn't. That isn't trying to excuse reckless spending but it's just noting that the money wasn't there.
    The money was there. More cash came in from SS taxes than was spent each year. That's a surplus. The cash may not be in the bank, but it's still on the books.

    Is your money in your bank? Nope. Most is loaned out. Yet you don't complain that your bank statement says you have all of it. Same principle.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm not attempting to make a partisan point. I was clear to note that if "any" politician tells you that there is a fund, they are lying to you.
    No, he's just not explaining it well enough, and you're making assumptions based on ignorance. That's not a lie.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Those who don't have health insurance and are sick still get treated... and don't pay anything.
    Stop right there.

    No, they don't all get treated, or treated well. But the larger point is this - we simply can't keep up such a system. It's incredibly inefficient. It hikes up costs, even for those who do have insurance. It encourages dumping those who are high-risk. One way or the other, it had to change (and still needs to).
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Here's an idea. Instead of requireing health insurance companies to take on people with pre-existing conditions which will drive up costs of health insurance why not add a section to Medicare/Medicaid that deals with them specifically? People can buy into government health insurance. And yes I do mean "buy". Sorry, no free rides.
    The costs would exceed the income! They are excluded from insurance for a reason - they're expensive. A pool of payors who are also getting sick all the time is not going to succeed.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Governments track record of managing ANYTHING other than the military (and even that is suspect economically) is an almost total and abject failure. Their historical record is abysmal. [...]
    Gov't accomplishments:

    1. Hoover Dam (among others).

    2. Created U.S. postal system (despite recent troubles, it has been quite an accomplishment for many decades).

    3. Harnessed Mississippi and Ohio rivers for navigation.

    4. Created atomic bomb.

    5. Created interstate highway system.

    6. Put a man on the moon.

    7. Created internet.

    8. Put remote control rovers on Mars.

    And that's just off the top of my head. Now don't you feel foolish parroting that moronic right wing talking point?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Governments track record of managing ANYTHING other than the military (and even that is suspect economically) is an almost total and abject failure. Their historical record is abysmal. I trust myself more than the government .... I know... crazy huh?
    Pure rubbish.

    But, of course, it's not like the private sector is perfect. You ever actually deal with your insurance company lately? Ever have to deal with a hospitalization or file appeals?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman, replying to another View Post
    The costs would exceed the income! [...]
    I've found that most do not understand, nor care to understand, the concept of risk assessment and management (insurance). They instead selfishly concern themselves over those who may receive more in benefits than they pay, or vice versa.

    Other than to say -- correctly -- that the most efficient insurance risk pool would be one that encompasses 313 million people, I'd save my breath (we'll get there sooner or later)

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