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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    You do know that they have been dipping into SS at least since the Vietnam era right?
    I know according to public statements from G.W. Bush, we had 2.8 trillion dollar surplus in SS when he took office, which he promised to protect, and before he left, he said it was all gone.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    I know according to public statements from G.W. Bush, we had 2.8 trillion dollar surplus in SS when he took office, which he promised to protect, and before he left, he said it was all gone.
    Links please?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Links please?
    Your president, in his first State of the Union address (February 27, 2001), promised to make sure that no Social Security money was used for any other program. He specifically said: "To make sure the retirement savings of America’s seniors are not diverted in any other program, my budget protects all $2.6 trillion of the Social Security surplus for Social Security, and for Social Security alone."

    Now that is what he said: "for Social Security alone." But it seems like your president left something out.

    And with that said and done, it seems like the same Bush went on to do something entirely different. No surprise there.

    What Bush did in his first fours years was he looted the sacred Social Security trust fund. Down to the last nickel and dime.



    In the Bush-Cheney first term the White House mob gleefully looted the entire $509 billion Social Security surplus. No surprise there again. And, at this very moment, Bush has his fingers in the same trust fund to the tune of $400 million or so a day.

    But you can look at it this way. It is for a good cause.

    Somebody has to pay for those tax cuts and the war in Iraq.

    And the Social Security trust fund does come in handy in these cases. Furthermore, and to rub it in, the shameless Bush now admits it. This is what he has been saying lately in his Social Security scare speeches. "The money-payroll taxes going into Social Security are spent. They’re spent on benefits and they’re spent on government programs. There is no trust."

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You do know that they have been dipping into SS at least since the Vietnam era right?
    Gentlemen, the reason we don't have a trust fund is because we don't have a trust fund. It's simply an account at the Treasury Department. This is not a scandal either - it was never represented as anything else, except for the name, which was borrowed from the private sector but doesn't have the same definition.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    How did this get on SS?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Do you have anything more reliable than a partisan hack site?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What Bush did in his first fours years was he looted the sacred Social Security trust fund. Down to the last nickel and dime.

    In the Bush-Cheney first term the White House mob gleefully looted the entire $509 billion Social Security surplus. No surprise there again. And, at this very moment, Bush has his fingers in the same trust fund to the tune of $400 million or so a day.

    But you can look at it this way. It is for a good cause.

    Somebody has to pay for those tax cuts and the war in Iraq.

    And the Social Security trust fund does come in handy in these cases. Furthermore, and to rub it in, the shameless Bush now admits it. This is what he has been saying lately in his Social Security scare speeches. "The money-payroll taxes going into Social Security are spent. They’re spent on benefits and they’re spent on government programs. There is no trust."

    Whatever Happened to the Social Security Trust Fund? Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
    Bush is right. And to say that the SS fund has been "looted" or "spent" is highly inaccurate.

    There's no separate SS fund, there's just the Treasury. Cash comes in, cash goes out. To spend cash now that comes in now is not to "raid" the surplus in one account. The SS money is not simply spent, it is "borrowed" from the other accounts by issuing internal bonds held by the government. In other words, the SS surplus is not spent, it is invested in U.S. bonds.

    If the government were to save the cash it gets from SS payroll taxes, it would simply have to borrow that much more cash from the private sector to pay its bills. Instead, it borrows from itself.

    This is not to say it's wise financially. One way or the other, retirees are going to want SS benefits in the future, and the government will need to come up with the cash then. But it's not the same thing as just spending the cash, never to be seen again.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    To see how many of the IOU's GWB put into the SS Trust Fund, do a bit of reading here:
    Contents -- 2004 Trustees Report

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The point is that the majority of Americans trust the government more than you or the insurance companies that keep tripling our rates every few years.
    Your personal attack on Ockham is silly to say the least. When did he every say that Americans should trust him. You included that as some silly attack on his credibility, and it's a total FAIL. Tripling our rates every few years.....let's see the evidence.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I know according to public statements from G.W. Bush, we had 2.8 trillion dollar surplus in SS when he took office, which he promised to protect, and before he left, he said it was all gone.
    Any politician that tells you that there is a surplus in any program is lying to you.

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