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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There were bills passed by the House to raise the limit. Those bills were supported by the Tea Party.
    What are you talking about?

    The debt crisis was about the limit not being raised. Once the House finally voted to raise the limit, obviously the crisis ended. That doesn't mean there was no crisis in the first place. It's what we're discussing. The Tea Party initially OPPOSED raising the debt limit.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What are you talking about?

    The debt crisis was about the limit not being raised. Once the House finally voted to raise the limit, obviously the crisis ended. That doesn't mean there was no crisis in the first place. It's what we're discussing. The Tea Party initially OPPOSED raising the debt limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The debt crisis was about the limit not being raised. Once the House finally voted to raise the limit, obviously the crisis ended.
    There's another debt crisis though that has to do with having too much debt. Obviously stacking up more debt doesn't resolve this one.

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    Well, yeah, that's the bill that prevented the crisis at the last minute. The threat was still there, and it still would have caused an immediate, large cut in spending if that bill hadn't been passed. And the Tea Party was the main reason it nearly didn't pass.
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    The TEA Party is a recognized party in Congress now?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The TEA Party is a recognized party in Congress now?
    Yes, as a group or voting bloc. Not a formal political party. But that's what they call themselves. There is a formal Tea Party Caucus in the House.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Well, yeah, that's the bill that prevented the crisis at the last minute. The threat was still there, and it still would have caused an immediate, large cut in spending if that bill hadn't been passed. And the Tea Party was the main reason it nearly didn't pass.
    No, you didn't read the article did you? The bill that passed was indeed passed at the last moment but this one passed earlier and was backed by the Tea Party.

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    Washington -- Two Central New York Republicans helped the House pass its "cut, cap and balance" deficit reduction plan Tuesday night in a largely symbolic measure backed by tea party conservatives.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    The bill that would cripple medicare and SS but protect the tax cuts for the wealthy and military spending that helped create our debt in the first place???

    And you are surprised that the representatives of the elderly and the middle class would not go along with it?????

    Why would representatives of the middle class support more of the same redistribution of wealth from the middle class as the GOP has done for the last 30 years?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The bill that would cripple medicare and SS but protect the tax cuts for the wealthy and military spending that helped create our debt in the first place???
    The arguement was that the Tea Party wanted to end the government. Nothing in that bill or anything they ever supported called for the end of the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The bill that would cripple medicare and SS but protect the tax cuts for the wealthy and military spending that helped create our debt in the first place?
    1) Every federal expenditure "helps create our debt in the first place."

    2) Medicare has to be "crippled" to deal with the funding issues we're facing with it. And SS has to be bumped back to fit the bell curve of our life expectancies.

    Why would representatives of the middle class support more of the same redistribution of wealth from the middle class as the GOP has done for the last 30 years?
    For the most part they're not actually representing the middle class.

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