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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Obama, since long before he was president, was never about civil liberties. Never claimed to be, never pretended to be, period. He is completely and unabashedly authoritarian. And I'm going to vote for him again because our alternatives are honestly that bad.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He has reservations, because the bill doesn't allow for the indefinite detention of American citizens, without charging them. Can't create a dictatorship without that.
    If this bill doesn't allow for that, then how come every single Congressman who has defended it, the President and all the President's men have utterly failed to explicitly state that it doesn't? Why does the bill itself not state that? Why do they keep using the round-about language I cited in the OP?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Obama, since long before he was president, was never about civil liberties. Never claimed to be, never pretended to be, period. He is completely and unabashedly authoritarian. And I'm going to vote for him again because our alternatives are honestly that bad.
    If, in your opinion Obama is the best we can do, then we are truly lost. I no longer live in America, nor do my closest relatives. Still, if opinions like yours turn out to hold sway then I have done myself and my son a favor. I just hope that the dumbing down of Obama's America does not spread to few areas of the western world not yet affected.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Obama, since long before he was president, was never about civil liberties. Never claimed to be, never pretended to be, period. He is completely and unabashedly authoritarian.....
    and yet, he repealed DADT and refuses to enforce the DOMA.

    ironic huh?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    I'm not so sure this government needs more power.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I'm not so sure this government needs more power.
    good thing this new NDAA doesn't give our government any additional powers. nothing has changed folks.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    good thing this new NDAA doesn't give our government any additional powers. nothing has changed folks.
    Then you should have no trouble whatsoever with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    By all means, show me where it explicitly states that the Executive does not have the power to detain American citizens on American soil indefinitely without trial. Don't show me the where it talks about excluding American citizens from mandatory military detention indefinitely, that's not what I'm talking about.
    Of course, you and I both know you won't bother trying to tackle this. Any time you're the target of a direct question you can't answer without admitting you're wrong, you simply ignore it.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    ...Of course, you and I both know you won't bother trying to tackle this....
    I already did.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    No, you didn't. You quoted sections dealing with situations where indefinite military detention was required. You in no way quoted anything that explicitly states that the Executive does not have the power to detain American citizens on American soil indefinitely without trial.

    Try again.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...n-of-citizens/


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    Mr. President, either you're lying about why you signed this bill, or you're a coward. Either you're happy the Presidency has a new tool to put in the chest, or you didn't have the guts to tell Congress to send you an authorization bill without that junk attached. Either Congress sent it to you knowing you'd be pleased to sign it despite all of your public bellyaching, or they knew they had you outgunned.

    Either way, you're an embarrassment to the office and to the country. You sold us out. Go **** yourself.
    Obama has lost my vote. I cannot support this and its a big enough issue that I can't ignore it.

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