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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    Wow, just wow....This is why this sort of thinking is dangerous.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's try a straight answer now, is that a yes or no?

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    How was that not a straight answer? He should be given a fair trial. I'm in Boo's camp. If you have the goods, prove his guilt. If not, then you have no reason to be throwing them in jail.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Insisting on cutting spending while refusing to increase revenue is not acting responsibly. Your claim is glaringly false.
    People do this everyday. My taxes went up, my pay didn't, I had to cut out some of my fun spending.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    People do this everyday. My taxes went up, my pay didn't, I had to cut out some of my fun spending.
    But if your expenses go up so much that you can't pay your rent, you need to get a second job or something. Cutting can only go so far.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But if your expenses go up so much that you can't pay your rent, you need to get a second job or something. Cutting can only go so far.
    The problem was that Obama wanted no cuts. Despite his words his call was for a "clean" debt bill. The only way to stop this is to say "NO". When there are actual cuts, the opposition for additional revenue to further bring down the debt won't be as strong.

    You don't get another job and then move into a higher rent district if you are having difficulty in paying your bills.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The problem was that Obama wanted no cuts. Despite his words his call was for a "clean" debt bill. The only way to stop this is to say "NO". When there are actual cuts, the opposition for additional revenue to further bring down the debt won't be as strong.

    You don't get another job and then move into a higher rent district if you are having difficulty in paying your bills.
    Or start buying a lot of nice to haves because your neighbors have them or you want them.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The problem was that Obama wanted no cuts.
    No, he wanted no cuts in that particular bill. He feared it would threaten the bill and the entire economy. And he was right. Only last-minute sanity saved us from disaster. Cuts or taxes or anything like that should be considered separately.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, he wanted no cuts in that particular bill. He feared it would threaten the bill and the entire economy. And he was right. Only last-minute sanity saved us from disaster. Cuts or taxes or anything like that should be considered separately.
    Given him a clear debt bump is what is going to threaten the economy. All the same, there was a desire to see a smaller government that operates in a financially responsible manner, not get rid of the government.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Given him a clear debt bump is what is going to threaten the economy.
    That's no justification for throwing other items into a debt ceiling bill. You simply vote against it if you think that's smart (even though it's absolutely insane, but whatever).

    All the same, there was a desire to see a smaller government that operates in a financially responsible manner
    Trying to get a smaller government that fast, by simply stopping all further debt, is itself not financially responsible.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's no justification for throwing other items into a debt ceiling bill. You simply vote against it if you think that's smart (even though it's absolutely insane, but whatever).
    When you have an addict not paying his rent, IMO the answer is not to pay the rent for him.

    Trying to get a smaller government that fast, by simply stopping all further debt, is itself not financially responsible.
    I disagree. It might hurt but it would be financially responsible.

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