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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's use KSM as an example...Do you think he deserved a "fair trial" in the United States proper?


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    They wanted Congress to act responsibly. Congress reacted negatively against that. The Tea Party supported the earlier budgets passed by the House. They were ahead of the curve in trying to get a budget passed.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    They wanted Congress to act responsibly. [...]
    Insisting on cutting spending while refusing to increase revenue is not acting responsibly. Your claim is glaringly false.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    Insisting on cutting spending while refusing to increase revenue is not acting responsibly. Your claim is glaringly false.
    People are forced to do it all the time.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That's too bad. Something similiar is the reason I absolutely could not vote for McCain. Anyone who is so willing to stomp on our Constitutional rights has no business being anywhere near an elected position.

    I understand the "lesser of two evils" in some instances. Not in this one. I was sure that the courts would overturn Citizen United also but there was no way I could have voted for someone who had it in him to even go here.
    While we're on the subject, screw Feingold too.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He certainly deserved a fair trial. I don't think that we should abandon our own commitment to freedom and liberty in a zealous move to "protect" us from alleged terrorists. Those who raise arms against us most certainly should be punished; but I don't think it should be done so haphazardly that it entangles a significant number of innocent people. Fighting ideology is not like fighting an actual State.
    Let's try a straight answer now, is that a yes or no?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would have had no problem with it. None. If you have the goods, you have the goods. If you don't, how do you really know he is what you think he is? Why so much fear for our justice system and so much respect for how our enemies do business? I really don't understand. But always remember, rule of law protects those who are innocent, and a few innoncent people could have used us showing some respect for rule of law.

    Wow, just wow....This is why this sort of thinking is dangerous.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, just wow....This is why this sort of thinking is dangerous.
    I hope you're being sarcastic. The idea that rule of law and our principles of justice - the things we're supposed to be defending in the first place - are dangerous is a scary thought. Hope you aren't thinking it.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I hope you're being sarcastic. The idea that rule of law and our principles of justice - the things we're supposed to be defending in the first place - are dangerous is a scary thought. Hope you aren't thinking it.

    Oooh, I know, we can just send the Law and Order SVU over there to arrest them all and bring 'em in....Good grief.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oooh, I know, we can just send the Law and Order SVU over there to arrest them all and bring 'em in....Good grief.
    It's sad when Americans openly mock American values. It certainly doesn't help our struggle against terrorism when you live up to their complaints.
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