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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Even a whack job can be right, But, compared to Perry, Bachman, Santorum and Newt, Paul is a prue genuis!!!

    And if my choice is between Obama and Perry, Bachman, Santorum or Newt, I will be forced to vote for Obama and hope the courts do their job. The bill is a poor one, likley illegal, and something we all should agree be changed.
    That's too bad. Something similiar is the reason I absolutely could not vote for McCain. Anyone who is so willing to stomp on our Constitutional rights has no business being anywhere near an elected position.

    I understand the "lesser of two evils" in some instances. Not in this one. I was sure that the courts would overturn Citizen United also but there was no way I could have voted for someone who had it in him to even go here.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the fact that the GOP cannot field a decent candidate OTHER than Paul is why Obama is likely a second term. If Obama gets elected because your side couldn't field someone better; that's your fault. I'll vote for Paul, I won't vote for any of your other candidates.
    Romney can win, just as long as he can get nominated and if none of the other ones try to make a run as an independent and split the vote.

    Nothing much will change if he does become president, except the Democrats will be the ones complaining, and the Republicans supporting "their" president, but he can win if his party will give him a chance.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Romney can win, just as long as he can get nominated and if none of the other ones try to make a run as an independent and split the vote.

    Nothing much will change if he does become president, except the Democrats will be the ones complaining, and the Republicans supporting "their" president, but he can win if his party will give him a chance.

    The cynic in me says you are right....

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Romney can win, just as long as he can get nominated and if none of the other ones try to make a run as an independent and split the vote.

    Nothing much will change if he does become president, except the Democrats will be the ones complaining, and the Republicans supporting "their" president, but he can win if his party will give him a chance.
    Romney could win, barring a significant upturn in the economy, if the evangelicals don't revolt (stay home). However the Tea Partiers will still be complaining and will still be trying to shut down the gov't. Romney would govern as a businessman, a compassionate one I would wager (witness Romneycare), not an extremist (which again leaves the Tea Partiers all dressed up with nowhere to go).
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Romney could win, barring a significant upturn in the economy, if the evangelicals don't revolt. However the Tea Partiers will still be complaining and will still be trying to shut down the gov't. Romney would govern as a businessman, a compassionate one I would wager (witness Romneycare), not an extremist (which again leaves the Tea Partiers all dressed up with nowhere to go).

    All that angst disappears if the economy turns around.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's use KSM as an example...Do you think he deserved a "fair trial" in the United States proper?


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    Why go here? He wasn't an American citizen or ever claimed to be. Countries have always held prisoners in war time. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with a vague definition of being at war but that's another subject.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Romney could win, barring a significant upturn in the economy, if the evangelicals don't revolt (and stay home). However the Tea Partiers will still be complaining and will still be trying to shut down the gov't. Romney would govern as a businessman, a compassionate one I would wager (witness Romneycare), not an extremist (which again leaves the Tea Partiers all dressed up with nowhere to go).
    When have they tried to shut down the government?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    He certainly deserved a fair trial. I don't think that we should abandon our own commitment to freedom and liberty in a zealous move to "protect" us from alleged terrorists. Those who raise arms against us most certainly should be punished; but I don't think it should be done so haphazardly that it entangles a significant number of innocent people. Fighting ideology is not like fighting an actual State.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The cynic in me says you are right....

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry, replying to Karl View Post
    When have they [Tea Party] tried to shut down the government?
    1) 7th budget c.r., April 8, 2011. See 2011 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2) Debt ceiling increase, July 2011. See United States debt-ceiling crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    3) Budget passage, December 2011. See Congress resisted temptation to shut down government | Examiner.com

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