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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so Obama has violated his oath of office....But I am confident that you will still pull the lever for him this fall won't you?

    BTW, Ron Paul on national defense is a whack job.


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    Even a whack job can be right, But, compared to Perry, Bachman, Santorum and Newt, Paul is a prue genuis!!!

    And if my choice is between Obama and Perry, Bachman, Santorum or Newt, I will be forced to vote for Obama and hope the courts do their job. The bill is a poor one, likley illegal, and something we all should agree be changed.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    [...] according to a constitutional attorney the NDAA also makes closing Guantanamo a near impossibility (Constitutional attorney: Guantanamo ‘nearly impossible to close’ thanks to NDAA | The Raw Story)
    Now you're getting warm as to why the detainee section was inserted into this bill.

    All along the liberal position has been that terrorism is a crime, not an act war (takeover of a country or destruction of a government is not a goal, in our current situation. Indeed, we are the invaders and civil usurpers). In his campaign, and early in his presidency, Obama wanted to treat the detainees as criminals, not soldiers, in that he wanted to close Gitmo and try the detainees in civilian criminal courts (especially the ringleaders). The military-industrial complex wants absolutely nothing to do with that approach, for the so-called 'war on terror' is enriching them, and in turn enriching their toadies (Congress).

    So, Gitmo and mandatory military detention is now codified as law. Let the war profiteering keep on rollin'. . . . .

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so Obama has violated his oath of office....But I am confident that you will still pull the lever for him this fall won't you?

    BTW, Ron Paul on national defense is a whack job.


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    On National Defense, Paul is right on. He's perfectly within the ideals and limits of the Republic. It's YOU GUYS who are looking to change the game and work against the Republic. More and more government, surrender more and more rights, remove more and more checks and balances. You'll lead us to ruination faster than the terrorists could ever hope to drive us there. Integrity and honor and the backbone to abide by the Constitution and the dream of the founders, only Paul out of the other contenders has it. Dr. Paul is right, the National Defense Authorization Act is a slip into tyranny; ever closer the Republocrats take us till we wake up slaves on the land our forefathers conquered.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You still haven't shown where you believe that the law was broken in this law....I have no patience to search for what your claim is, so could you just link to the law broken, and or argument that shows where Obama broke the law in signing this bill?


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    The law is a clear violation of the Bill of Rights. Does that mean Obama broke the law by signing it? Did Congress break the law by passing it?

    It seems to me that both broke their oath to uphold the Constitution, but I'm not sure that means that either one actually broke the law.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    On National Defense, Paul is right on. He's perfectly within the ideals and limits of the Republic. It's YOU GUYS who are looking to change the game and work against the Republic. More and more government, surrender more and more rights, remove more and more checks and balances. You'll lead us to ruination faster than the terrorists could ever hope to drive us there. Integrity and honor and the backbone to abide by the Constitution and the dream of the founders, only Paul out of the other contenders has it. Dr. Paul is right, the National Defense Authorization Act is a slip into tyranny; ever closer the Republocrats take us till we wake up slaves on the land our forefathers conquered.
    I agree. And it is in the national defense and international policy that I most agree with Paul. Domestically less so. But here I agree with you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The law is a clear violation of the Bill of Rights. Does that mean Obama broke the law by signing it? Did Congress break the law by passing it?

    It seems to me that both broke their oath to uphold the Constitution, but I'm not sure that means that either one actually broke the law.
    But something the courts could rule on I suspect.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    But something the courts could rule on I suspect.
    No doubt it could, but will it? It still hasn't addressed the issue of asset forfeiture, which is also clearly and blatantly unconstitutional.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No doubt it could, but will it? It still hasn't addressed the issue of asset forfeiture, which is also clearly and blatantly unconstitutional.
    True. I'll hope for the best.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree. And it is in the national defense and international policy that I most agree with Paul. Domestically less so. But here I agree with you.
    I agree with Paul a lot. Where I deviate is along the gold standard and Federal Reserve marks. We need fiat currency in this global economy and the government needs to have total control on setting the value of that currency. And they were granted the power. That's not to say there aren't problems with the Fed; there are. But getting rid of it isn't the solution. It needs to be made 100% property of Congress (only Congress was given authority to print and regulate the value of our currency) and there needs to be proper restriction, regulation, and oversight on it.

    I want us to be the shining city on the hill again, Ron Paul I do believe can help move us back in that direction. The Republocrats in general however just wish to tarnish America and our great Republic even more.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But something the courts could rule on I suspect.
    I think that this law is an act of treason against the People.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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