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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's a pretty good bet.

    It's also a good bet that moderate Romney will paint himself as "conservative", and will try to make us think that Obama is somewhere to the left of Maxine Waters. Meantime, Obama will be busy pointing out how many flips Romney has flopped, while busily sweeping those multi trillion dollar deficits under the carpet.
    Agreed.

    The bottom line: If the economy improves, it's likely to be Obama. If it doesn't Romney will probably be the next one getting the blame for the poor economy.
    Given the opposition to all progress by the GOP to defend the tax cuts for the rich and the crop of contenders as the alternative, I would bet that unless the economy gets worse, Obama wins.

    But, back to the subject of this thread: I don't want to see either of them with the power to detain Americans without trial.
    And, even less do I want to see whoever succeeds them as next POTUS with that power. Who knows who that might be?

    Or, it could be Perry with that power... now that's a scary thought, isn't it?
    I agree. That's one of the reasons I'm glad for the OWS to bring some heat on issues neither party is highlighting. I think all citizens should join the OWS in protesting the support of the Patriot Act by both parties.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident
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    e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
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    bare in mind if this law somehow changed existing law, to now allow for the indefinite detention without trial/charge, of any legal residents of the USA, I too would be yelling bloody murder and probably call for a popular uprising.

    but the fact is, this law changes nothing. No citizens of the USA nor legal residents of the USA, shall be detained indefinitely without charge/trial, due to this law or due to any current law.
    Now last I knew the executive branch is run by civilians and not the military correct? The FBI is not a part of the military nor is the CIA and the Secret Service is not a part of the military, there are plenty of federal prisons that are not run by the military. You might want to note that this NDAA only restricts the military from holding custody an American citizen or lawful resident indefinately. No where does it restrict the Federal government from doing the same.

    As for the authorities section, according to it the NDAA does not affect any other laws or authorities correct? Do you know what can happen under a State of Emergency and that one of the requirements for it to be called is war? (we are actually under a state of emergency right now btw...Obama extended Bush's declaration of a state of emergency in 2010). Did you know that if the President declares the US to be a warzone under the NDAA then they can suspend Habeas Corpus as defined in the Constitution due to there being a state of emergency?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It expires at the end of his 1st term, I think that covers it.
    Bills can be extended. Even sections of bills can be extended while allowing the rest of it to expire. Sorry but I'm not going to hold my breath thinking that this will expire.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    This whole thing worries me. The biggest issue, aside from the unconstitutional law, is that Obama has no spine.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by SerenityChuck View Post
    This whole thing worries me. The biggest issue, aside from the unconstitutional law, is that Obama has no spine.
    His chance will be coming up with Iran. Ever since the 1979 embassy attack, Iran has been earning its comeuppance.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama has promised alot of things that he has in the end lied about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and a president, being a politician and all, would never, but never ever go back on his word, right? Moreover, his promise extends to whoever takes his place, right? We have nothing to worry about, nothing at all. Let's give the whitehouse the power to detain without trial. Hell, let's give them any power that they want, just so long as the current POTUS promises not to use it. How about a suspension of the press? That's a great idea, too, don't you think?
    I may have not been clear on this: I do not think that the bill should be passed, nor am I am Obama supporter. I even went and emailed my Senators asking them to propose an amendment to the bill that will explicitly exclude US citizens and legal immigrants from indefinite detention. I am not going to vote for either party these elections.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think he has been forced to govern more moderately because he has a Republican majorty House to deal with. However, in 2008 when he ran for president I would not say (based on Obama's voting record as a senator) that he was a moderate. It will be interesting to see how Obama campaigns during the 2012 election and if his rhetoric will become more centrist in nature.
    I would tend to agree, while noting that his rhetoric will be irrelevant... his centrist actions have already betrayed him.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's a pretty good bet.

    It's also a good bet that moderate Romney will paint himself as "conservative", and will try to make us think that Obama is somewhere to the left of Maxine Waters. Meantime, Obama will be busy pointing out how many flips Romney has flopped, while busily sweeping those multi trillion dollar deficits under the carpet.

    The bottom line: If the economy improves, it's likely to be Obama. If it doesn't Romney will probably be the next one getting the blame for the poor economy.

    But, back to the subject of this thread: I don't want to see either of them with the power to detain Americans without trial.

    And, even less do I want to see whoever succeeds them as next POTUS with that power. Who knows who that might be?

    Or, it could be Perry with that power... now that's a scary thought, isn't it?
    I gree completely. This is a poor bill. May the courts exercise some reason.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I gree completely. This is a poor bill. May the courts exercise some reason.

    So you place your faith more in unelected people making law through edict....Interesting.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you place your faith more in unelected people making law through edict....Interesting.


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    Though following the law. Yes. I believe the law should be followed. I know that is worse than allowing politicians to break the law, but that's who I am.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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