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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think he has been forced to govern more moderately because he has a Republican majorty House to deal with. However, in 2008 when he ran for president I would not say (based on Obama's voting record as a senator) that he was a moderate.
    Not me, I had heard Obama say he was not against all wars, just stupid wars like the one in Iraq. He clearly stated he planned to go hard in Afghanistan and wouldn't hesitate to go into Pakistan. So, I was under no impression Obama was a liberal when I voted for him. He was just better than the alternative, that is all.

    It will be interesting to see how Obama campaigns during the 2012 election and if his rhetoric will become more centrist in nature.
    He has the centrist record from this first term to run on.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    God damnit Obama.... Acting like Bush i see?
    Just goes to show ya. Dems and Repubs are pretty much the same....
    Looks like your dreamboy ran up against reality.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There are no provisions in the Constitution that would allow a president to target an American citizen for death without due process either.
    Not only that, but a citizen can not be "deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process" is pretty clear, too. What part of that does the current government not understand?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not only that, but a citizen can not be "deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process" is pretty clear, too. What part of that does the current government not understand?
    They aren't the only ones that do not understand. The bill didn't pass itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So, I was under no impression Obama was a liberal when I voted for him. He was just better than the alternative, that is all.
    So if we had had Charles Manson (D) running against Ted Bundy (R) it'd be Manson all the way because he did not actually kill as many people (oh yah and he's Dem). A candidate we can believe in!!

    "Lesser of two evils" is why every problem with corrupt government is all OUR fault.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So if we had had Charles Manson (D) running against Ted Bundy (R) it'd be Manson all the way because he did not actually kill as many people (oh yah and he's Dem). A candidate we can believe in!!

    "Lesser of two evils" is why every problem with corrupt government is all OUR fault.
    I've never known an accused killer to make it through the presidential candidate process, so your analogy is absurd.

    Until man is perfect, there will always be one candidate that is thought to be superior to another, no matter how many candidates, or parties.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So if we had had Charles Manson (D) running against Ted Bundy (R) it'd be Manson all the way because he did not actually kill as many people (oh yah and he's Dem). A candidate we can believe in!!

    "Lesser of two evils" is why every problem with corrupt government is all OUR fault.
    I'm voting for Voldemort. No more lesser of evils for me.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Regardless of what you think Digsbe, Obama has led as a moderate. He's even too hawkish for conservative Ron Paul, much less a real liberal like Kucinch.
    If Ron Paul is your picture perfect definition of conservative and Kucinich is the same for liberal, then yes...Obama is a moderate centrist.

    As was George W. Bush

    As is almost every politician that's significantly ran for POTUS.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If Ron Paul is your picture perfect definition of conservative and Kucinich is the same for liberal, then yes...Obama is a moderate centrist.

    As was George W. Bush

    As is almost every politician that's significantly ran for POTUS.
    Yep, the majority of Americans pick moderates for presidents, that was my point. It explains why in 2008, we had moderates from both parties as the main contenders.

    I'm willing to bet we have the party moderates again in November with Romney vs Obama.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, the majority of Americans pick moderates for presidents, that was my point. It explains why in 2008, we had moderates from both parties as the main contenders.

    I'm willing to bet we have the party moderates again in November with Romney vs Obama.
    That's a pretty good bet.

    It's also a good bet that moderate Romney will paint himself as "conservative", and will try to make us think that Obama is somewhere to the left of Maxine Waters. Meantime, Obama will be busy pointing out how many flips Romney has flopped, while busily sweeping those multi trillion dollar deficits under the carpet.

    The bottom line: If the economy improves, it's likely to be Obama. If it doesn't Romney will probably be the next one getting the blame for the poor economy.

    But, back to the subject of this thread: I don't want to see either of them with the power to detain Americans without trial.

    And, even less do I want to see whoever succeeds them as next POTUS with that power. Who knows who that might be?

    Or, it could be Perry with that power... now that's a scary thought, isn't it?
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