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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yes, Obama has stated that he will not use it but what stops a future president from using that power?
    The bill in question does not give him that power.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yes, Obama has stated that he will not use it but what stops a future president from using that power?

    Obama has promised alot of things that he has in the end lied about.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The bill in question does not give him that power.
    At the bare minimum it affirms that he already has it, given the other legal references mentioned in this thread and the over-vague language regarding who can be detained indefinitely in the bill itself.

    If the architects of this bill actually intended to protect American citizens from that kind of treatment, it would have explicitly done so.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    When a law is anyting but absolutely clear, a politician will use it however they wish and claim it was their interpretation of the bill.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    [...] If the architects of this bill actually intended to protect American citizens from that kind of treatment, it would have explicitly done so.
    A reasonable statement of the obvious, but all this hoopla masks the true intent of the detainee provisions of this bill -- to prevent the executive from transferring/keeping detainees to/in American prisons and to prevent the executive from processing detainees thru the civilian court system. It effectively codifies Gitmo and relegates terrorism to an act of war instead of a criminal act (which is what it usually really is).

    So, the war-mongering Geneva-convention-violating Bush administration has been replaced by the war-mongering Geneva-convention-violating chicken-**** Congress. Lovely
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When a law is anyting but absolutely clear, a politician will use it however they wish and claim it was their interpretation of the bill.
    Yeah, well, read the Constitution then get back to us on how long that's been going on

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yeah, well, read the Constitution then get back to us on how long that's been going on
    There are no provisions in the Constitution that would allow a president to target an American citizen for death without due process either.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When a law is anyting but absolutely clear, a politician will use it however they wish and claim it was their interpretation of the bill.
    Yeah, well, read the Constitution then get back to us on how long that's been going on
    There are no provisions in the Constitution that would allow a president to target an American citizen for death without due process either.
    You change the subject a lot, don't you?
    Last edited by Karl; 01-02-12 at 04:46 PM.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    You change the subject a lot, don't you?
    So we'll agree that the Constitution has no relevance to what Obama will do. (and who knows about future presidents)

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    A reasonable statement of the obvious, but all this hoopla masks the true intent of the detainee provisions of this bill -- to prevent the executive from transferring/keeping detainees to/in American prisons and to prevent the executive from processing detainees thru the civilian court system.
    Which is proper. Detainees of Guantanamo are not privy to our courts systems, nor should they be.

    It effectively codifies Gitmo and relegates terrorism to an act of war instead of a criminal act (which is what it usually really is).

    Agreed, terrorism is an act of war.

    So, the war-mongering Geneva-convention-violating Bush administration has been replaced by the war-mongering Geneva-convention-violating chicken-**** Congress. Lovely
    So when it was Bush, it was the Bush administration, but when it is Obama it is the republican congress eh....Nice hypocrisy.


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