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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, so they played word games with the issue, and now the door is open for future administrations to lock people up simply by labeling them with an invented phrase. [...]
    This particular law opens that door no farther than it was already open.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oops...sorry about that.

    Either way, I'll eat my hat if the President or the DOD starts indefinitely detaining legal residents of the USA, without charge or trial, due to this law.
    So you're saying it won't take advantage of such a power? When it has already done so even without it?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you're saying it won't take advantage of such a power? When it has already done so even without it?
    I'm saying that no such power exists, and even if it did..the second a legal resident of the USA is held without chage or trial, the govt. would face lawsuits up the wazoo and be forced to back down, as they did with Jose Padilla.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

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    I'm saying that no such power exists, and even if it did..the second a legal resident of the USA is held without chage or trial, the govt. would face lawsuits up the wazoo and be forced to back down, as they did with Jose Padilla.
    But only if people care enough. if they don't, if they're really ready to trade freedom for security, then our whole experiment in liberty is over. Are you ready to count on the populace and its willingness to be vigilant and challenge authority when it becomes necessary?
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I'm saying that no such power exists
    The law that Obama just signed wasn't just signed?

    and even if it did..the second a legal resident of the USA is held without chage or trial, the govt. would face lawsuits up the wazoo and be forced to back down, as they did with Jose Padilla.
    I certainly hope so. But you can't be certain of that, and it would involve many years of detention waiting for the case to be decided.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The law that Obama just signed wasn't just signed?....
    you clearly didn't read the law.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you clearly didn't read the law.
    Did Obama read it? He signed it "reluctantly" after all.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Did Obama read it? He signed it "reluctantly" after all.
    nice evasion.

    now, did YOU read the bill and especially the offending sections?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But only if people care enough. if they don't, if they're really ready to trade freedom for security, then our whole experiment in liberty is over. Are you ready to count on the populace and its willingness to be vigilant and challenge authority when it becomes necessary?
    Ditto my man, the experiment died a long long time ago. Now we are just dealing with the obvious stuff that can't be argued for.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    nice evasion.

    now, did YOU read the bill and especially the offending sections?
    Yes. Did you? It seems pretty plain. Why do you say it doesn't say what it seems to say?
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