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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    I don't know if I am buying all of this nonsense, but it doesn't really matter since I am again detaining anyone indefinitely without trial.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I don't know if I am buying all of this nonsense, but it doesn't really matter since I am again detaining anyone indefinitely without trial.

    Well, we do have to beg the question if there is a case to date where this has been implemented as those whom are afraid of the implication imply. That ofcourse is no guarantee that it wouldn't in the future, up to this point it hasn't been.

    The thing that bothers me, is that for the past six years or so, I argued adamantly that Bush employed executive powers all begging the safety of the American people. Liberals often made the argument that the power I argued was necessary wouldn't stop at Bush's end of term. They were right if this is true.

    See, the problem won't come in a fell swoop of power grab, but much more in the stench of incrementalism.


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    so, when do you guys think the indefinite detention of American citizens will begin?

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It does not specifically exempt US citizens. It plays word-games.
    Nor does it specifically exempt chocolate ice cream. Oh, the humanity!


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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, when do you guys think the indefinite detention of American citizens will begin?
    It has already begun, but since that is existing detention, new detention is incorporated into it because it cannot be shown to have specifically happened. There is therefore no explicit language that this post even exists in whatever multi-dimensional universe your synaptic functions may be occupying at this particular nanosecond.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, we do have to beg the question if there is a case to date where this has been implemented as those whom are afraid of the implication imply. That ofcourse is no guarantee that it wouldn't in the future, up to this point it hasn't been. [...]
    It has already been implemented (with respect to American citizens), under the Bush administration (which is why this particular law provides no new authority).

    The [U.S. Supreme] Court recognized the power of the government to detain enemy combatants, but ruled that detainees who are U.S. citizens must have the ability to challenge their enemy combatant status before an impartial judge.

    Hamdi v. Rumsfeld
    There are at least three other cases that involve military detention of non-U.S. citizens, none of them favorable to the Bush administration.

    Boumediene v. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hamdan v. Rumsfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rasul v. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    It has already begun,....
    this is a lie.

    there are currently NO American citizens or legal residents of the USA, who are under indefinite detention without charge or trial.

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The final bill only says the REQUIREMENT of military detention does not apply to citizens/legal residents. It does not say that citizens are protected from the possibility of indefinite detention without trial.

    The Military Commissions Act '09 defines "unprivileged enemy belligerent" broadly enough to include US citizens but then says persons subject to military commissions include "Any ALIEN unprivileged enemy belligerent" with alien meaning a person who is not a citizen of the US.
    Oh, so they played word games with the issue, and now the door is open for future administrations to lock people up simply by labeling them with an invented phrase. "Unprivileged enemy belligerent" does have an interesting ring to it. I wonder just what it might mean? Could it apply to the OWS guys, to the tea party, to future protesters of yet another inadvisable war? The term seems broad enough to encompass any of the above and more.
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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this is a lie.

    there are currently NO American citizens or legal residents of the USA, who are under indefinite detention without charge or trial.
    I failed to clearly flag the post you responded to as sarcasm. My bad, but I thought "synaptic function in a multi-dimensional universe" would have been obvious

    Yaser Esam Hamdi is a U.S. citizen that was held by the military from 2001 - 9/2004 (until SCOTUS intervened).

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    Re: With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I failed to clearly flag the post you responded to as sarcasm. My bad, but I thought "synaptic function in a multi-dimensional universe" would have been obvious

    Yaser Esam Hamdi is a U.S. citizen that was held by the military from 2001 - 9/2004 (until SCOTUS intervened).
    oops...sorry about that.

    Either way, I'll eat my hat if the President or the DOD starts indefinitely detaining legal residents of the USA, without charge or trial, due to this law.

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