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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    had we devoted the necessary resources to this problem in 1973, the world would be a very different place now.

    instead, we waited on the market to address this significant national security issue. and still, we wait.

    this problem needs to be addressed publicly.
    It is being addressed publicly to an extent. But we don't plan ahead very well. Its going to be oil until there's some replacement that's so cheap that even oil at $10 a barrel can't compete. But then we're talking market again.
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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post

    if we want to have an impact on Iran, we should dedicate our resources to innovating a replacement for {Mid East} oil that can be produced domestically.
    We have that....Our own. Plus enough coal to be the Saudi Arabia of the world in coal. BUT! We can't have that can we?


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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have that....Our own. Plus enough coal to be the Saudi Arabia of the world in coal. BUT! We can't have that can we?


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    for argument's sake, let's say we have reserve enough for 250 years at the current rate of consumption.

    if we ran our cars on it, what would that do to demand and rate of consumption? how many years do we have then?

    current US consumption of oil is between 18.6 and 21 million barrels per day.

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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    for argument's sake, let's say we have reserve enough for 250 years at the current rate of consumption.

    if we ran our cars on it, what would that do to demand and rate of consumption? how many years do we have then?

    current US consumption of oil is between 18.6 and 21 million barrels per day.

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    It isn't really the false argument you set up. See, you are assuming that during that time period that any development of alternatives stops. We need to tap into what our known production can produce while we progress toward the bridge into new solutions. This meme of choke it off to spur that development is short sighted, and IMHO just plain dumb.


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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It isn't really the false argument you set up. See, you are assuming that during that time period that any development of alternatives stops. We need to tap into what our known production can produce while we progress toward the bridge into new solutions. This meme of choke it off to spur that development is short sighted, and IMHO just plain dumb.


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    my argument is that we should pursue a replacement for oil as a top national (and national security) priority. i'm not for cap and trade, and i don't think it's something that can be done overnight by government or private industry. but i would like to see a coherent long term domestic energy policy enacted, promoted, and treated as the priority that it is. for a nation of our size and scope to be as dependent as we are on imported energy is nearly suicidal.

    an important first step is to nationally increase our electrical grid significantly. any transition is probably going to involve electric, and our current grid can't handle it. a combination of vastly expanded nuclear technology (including non-uranium based energy) and renewables could help to fill the gap. and we certainly have a need for the jobs that it would create.

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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    my argument is that we should pursue a replacement for oil as a top national (and national security) priority. i'm not for cap and trade, and i don't think it's something that can be done overnight by government or private industry. but i would like to see a coherent long term domestic energy policy enacted, promoted, and treated as the priority that it is. for a nation of our size and scope to be as dependent as we are on imported energy is nearly suicidal.

    an important first step is to nationally increase our electrical grid significantly. any transition is probably going to involve electric, and our current grid can't handle it. a combination of vastly expanded nuclear technology (including non-uranium based energy) and renewables could help to fill the gap. and we certainly have a need for the jobs that it would create.
    I hear ya. But the thing that you are forgetting is the time it will take to bring those alternatives on line as viable replacements for our current system. We have the resource right here in country to continue to supply the country with energy, while we develop new tech, and nuke to replace it with. But short sighted enviro/whacked ideologues would, and are attempting to strangle this nation in favor of energy tech that is at best unproven, and at worst unworkable.


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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Then it should be hot enough to ram up someone's backside with an outcome that would deter them from doing this again.

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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

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    I think it is a mistake on our part to believe that Israel cannot defend itself. We can't afford another war. Let them work it out themselves.
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    Re: Iran says it's produced first nuclear fuel rod

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I think it is a mistake on our part to believe that Israel cannot defend itself. We can't afford another war. Let them work it out themselves.
    Israel is more than capable of defending themselves, however they like to steal from the American taxpayer who has given them trillions of dollars over the years. They have no intentions of defending themselves without the aid of the US taxpayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Israel is more than capable of defending themselves, however they like to steal from the American taxpayer who has given them trillions of dollars over the years. They have no intentions of defending themselves without the aid of the US taxpayer.
    They can't steal what they are given freely.

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