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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Whats the issue? Are we going to turn what goes on in a coffee shop into an argument? The owner of course has every right to remove someone from their establishment if they don't wish to serve them, and those two individuals were pretty self-righteous and clearly weren't interested in letting anyone else in that establishment enjoy themselves peacefully.

    Personally I hate seeing that kind of arrogance in people, where emotions overrule all logic, its odd but that woman's comments on how "hypocrisy is so pretty" really makes my blood boil, that kind of dismissal and arrogance. Few things get to me more.

    But o well its a small coffee shop, and the two people are like most protestors which is completely arrogant and attention grabbing.

    I couldn't agree with you more in this post.


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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Someone should inform these occutards that 1st amendment allows you to peacefully assemble , it does not allow you to harass businesses, trespass, harass people,destroy property or any other **** that occutards are notorious for.
    I watched the video and didn't see any property destroyed. What property was destroyed in that coffee shop?

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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I watched the video and didn't see any property destroyed. What property was destroyed in that coffee shop?

    Yeah, I didn't see any property damaged either. But that is not the point....Other places that OWS has decided to take over have had damage.


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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    I am a bit confused (what a horrible job of writing the story). Were they just in there getting coffee or were they protesting and whatnot? It's her establishment, so she can do what she wants, but that would be a dick move to kick out patrons just because of their politics.
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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    See the article and video here: Video: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters;


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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I am a bit confused (what a horrible job of writing the story). Were they just in there getting coffee or were they protesting and whatnot? It's her establishment, so she can do what she wants, but that would be a dick move to kick out patrons just because of their politics.

    In the video they were clearly wearing OWS t-shirts and such, and I think the article said they were standing in the middle of the shop chanting their rhetoric. So yeah, as the owner she can absolutely kick them out. And I applaud her for doing such....wiseone had a very good post of the protesters.


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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In the video they were clearly wearing OWS t-shirts and such, and I think the article said they were standing in the middle of the shop chanting their rhetoric. So yeah, as the owner she can absolutely kick them out. And I applaud her for doing such....wiseone had a very good post of the protesters.


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    Yeah I know. Totally expressing your political idealism in public should be punished! Woot!

    While it was within their rights to do, less they were causing a scene it's pretty stupid. And I don't applaud stupid.
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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah I know. Totally expressing your political idealism in public should be punished! Woot!

    While it was within their rights to do, less they were causing a scene it's pretty stupid. And I don't applaud stupid.
    Legally a person's personal property is not a public place, you don't have the right to be there doing anything if the owner doesn't want you to. Of course there are certain restrictions on an owner's right to remove someone from their establishment, for example an owner wouldn't have the right to remove someone for being black. However when you are disturbing other customers, and disturbing business, and when the owner has specifically asked you to leave, that's trespassing.

    Its just like the police officer says in the video, when the owner tells the man "I will not serve you, you need to leave, you're trespassing." The guy looks at the cop and the cop flat out says, "Sir, you are going to trespass you need to leave." He says going to trespass because he's giving the guy an opportunity to leave, after all he's not trespassing until he's told he's trespassing by the owner. Given the nature of the establishment which is a coffee shop, a reasonable person can assume entrance is permitted without prior approval. It would be different if he jumped a fence covered with signs that said no trespassing. So anyway, now that the officer has informed him that he's going to trespass if he doesn't leave, the man is legally obligated to do so in respects to the property rights of the owner.

    I also believe the law requires an opportunity to leave after being informed of a trespass in situations like these where entrance is permitted without approval or entrance is revoked after the party has already entered. Otherwise once the owner said you're trespassing, the officer would have had to arrest him on the spot which wouldn't have been right because there would be no way out for that person to not trespass. (He can't very well instantly teleport himself outside can he)

    So in the end a bunch of loud mouths went into a coffee shop, which is a place a reasonable person can assume they are allowed entrance during business hours without prior approval by the owner. Then they started making a disturbance, the owner decided to remove them, once they were informed they had to leave by both the owner and the police officer, they left.

    Again, I don't see the issue.

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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Again, I don't see the issue.
    Maybe you should reread what I posted.
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    Re: Des Moines coffee-shop owner evicts Occupy protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe you should reread what I posted.
    I read kicking someone out of a coffee shop for causing a disturbance by expressing their political ideals is punishment.

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