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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Legally speaking, does taking someone off of life support = killing?
    Legally speaking, does performing an abortion = killing?

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That explains why you think it should be legal. It doesn't explain why it's dumb as hell.
    Oh, sorry, didn't realize we were playing The Semantics Game.

    Really, mpg...what kind of a response is that? What's the difference here?

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're making a distinction between the born and unborn.
    Yes and those distinctions have nothing to do with magic and being fully human.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Women should have the option of having a child early if the fetus is viable instead of getting an abortion. It's my understanding that, currently, women can only choose to do that if it's medically necessary.
    I wasn't aware of that.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That explains why you think it should be legal. It doesn't explain why it's dumb as hell.
    You're pretty much saying that he (and I by default) have to convince you that it's reasonable to view it as dumb to have a valid opinion. That doesn't make any sense.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I wasn't aware of that.
    Well, don't take my word for it. That's just what I've gathered, but I haven't done a ton of research into this particular subject.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Oh, sorry, didn't realize we were playing The Semantics Game.

    Really, mpg...what kind of a response is that? What's the difference here?
    I'm not splitting hairs, not even close. There's a huge difference between disagreeing with someone respectfully, and using terms like "dumb as hell". That's what separates people like Glenn Beck from people like Gwen Ifill.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You're pretty much saying that he (and I by default) have to convince you that it's reasonable to view it as dumb to have a valid opinion. That doesn't make any sense.
    Disagreeing with this law is definitely a valid opinion, and some things really are dumb as hell, but something doesn't become dumb as hell merely because you or I disagree with it. You have to show that it's factually false, or something like that.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I'm not splitting hairs, not even close. There's a huge difference between disagreeing with someone respectfully, and using terms like "dumb as hell". That's what separates people like Glenn Beck from people like Gwen Ifill.
    Can you not see a difference between "ABSOLUTELY NO LATE TERM ABORTIONS FOR ANY REASON" and "late-term abortions only under extraordinary circumstances, as discussed by a licensed medical doctor and their patient"?

    It's "dumb as hell" to cast the wide net of a complete prohibition as if it perfectly fits every scenario; as if there is no possibly conceivable event that could warrant a late-term abortion, for any reason. Ever.

    Shoot, even murder laws have more leniency in their application than that!

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Disagreeing with this law is definitely a valid opinion, and some things really are dumb as hell, but something doesn't become dumb as hell merely because you or I disagree with it. You have to show that it's factually false, or something like that.
    Well, "dumb as hell" is a pretty subjective statement.

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