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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Reasons for late-term abortion according to the Guttmacher Institute and cited by Wiki:

    71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
    48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
    33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
    24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
    8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
    8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
    6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
    6% Woman didn't know timing is important
    5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
    2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
    11% Other

    Late termination of pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Well, it does because the fetus is still a part of the woman's body while it's inside of her.
    If you feel that a fetus is part of a woman's body, then your group vs group argument seems pointless.


    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    However, with this point specifically, I've always thought that for women who want late term abortions, doctors should be able to perform C-sections or something similar instead if the woman just wants to be rid of the kid for whatever, but I haven't looked much into that and I'm pretty sure most late term abortions are emergency related since they rarely happen.
    I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please clarify.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There's nothing magical about birth and I never said an infant was a "full human" whereas a fetus was not. (A child at all stages of development is human.) That's called putting words in my mouth. When you stop doing that, I'll share my other arguments.
    I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just asking questions.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Why is it dumb as hell to ban late term abortions?
    Because it's a medical procedure. I don't support completely banning access to a procedure because you don't know when it might be medically nessecary to perform such. Late-term abortions need stringent rules and conditions to be done, but completely closing off an avenue of medical care is stupid and short-sighted.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Reasons for late-term abortion according to the Guttmacher Institute and cited by Wiki:

    71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
    48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
    33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
    24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
    8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
    8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
    6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
    6% Woman didn't know timing is important
    5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
    2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
    11% Other

    Late termination of pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And this study considers late term 16 weeks as opposed to 20 weeks when most people call abortions "late term".

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just asking questions.
    Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So what makes an infant a full human? What's magical about birth? You need your own argument too.
    So what do these questions have to do with anything I've said?

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Yeah, it favors the rights of the family over the right of the comatose person to live.
    Legally speaking, does taking someone off of life support = killing?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    So what do these questions have to do with anything I've said?
    You're making a distinction between the born and unborn.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Because it's a medical procedure. I don't support completely banning access to a procedure because you don't know when it might be medically nessecary to perform such. Late-term abortions need stringent rules and conditions to be done, but completely closing off an avenue of medical care is stupid and short-sighted.
    That explains why you think it should be legal. It doesn't explain why it's dumb as hell.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    If you feel that a fetus is part of a woman's body, then your group vs group argument seems pointless.
    I don't "feel" it. It's true. And how is it "pointless"? If I'm talking about the woman and you're telling me that a fetus has the right to live, are we not talking about two different groups?

    I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please clarify.
    Women should have the option of having a child early if the fetus is viable instead of getting an abortion. It's my understanding that, currently, women can only choose to do that if it's medically necessary.

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