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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Which is why I treat every law as a specific case and in the case of abortion it's dumb as hell.
    Why is banning late term abortion dumber than other laws that you disagree with?



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    That's just another way of saying the rights of a fetus are being elevated above the rights of an adult.
    Umm...no. Comparing two rights, and deciding which is more important, is NOT the same as comparing two groups and deciding whose rights are more important. It's common for rights to conflict, and you have to choose which right is more important. Sometimes child molesters win these battles because of the importance of certain rights. They don't win because they're child molesters.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It's not "reason" if it cannot distinguish between facts and an emotional appeal. I provided you with a link to 36-week old babies, and they are facts, however uncomfortably they may fit with your "reason." Late-term abortion is infanticide.
    Showing me a 36 week old child is not an argument - it's an appeal to my emotions. You're essentially saying, "Look at this cute kid who was born 2 weeks early. How could you be pro-choice?" That's not an argument.

    And actually no, it's not infanticide - infanticide is killing a NEWBORN. Abortions literally cannot be performed on newborns - because abortion is termination of PREGNANCY.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Showing me a 36 week old child is not an argument - it's an appeal to my emotions. You're essentially saying, "Look at this cute kid who was born 2 weeks early. How could you be pro-choice?" That's not an argument.

    And actually no, it's not infanticide - infanticide is killing a NEWBORN. Abortions literally cannot be performed on newborns - because abortion is termination of PREGNANCY.
    So what makes an infant a full human? What's magical about birth? You need your own argument too.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Showing me a 36 week old child is not an argument - it's an appeal to my emotions. You're essentially saying, "Look at this cute kid who was born 2 weeks early. How could you be pro-choice?" That's not an argument.

    And actually no, it's not infanticide - infanticide is killing a NEWBORN. Abortions literally cannot be performed on newborns - because abortion is termination of PREGNANCY.
    Do not put words in my mouth. I said none of what you are attributing to me. I provided you with the opportunity to view images of 36-week old babies, and I guess that makes you feel a little uncomfortable. I'm glad. Pretty difficult to rationalize the difference between a 36-week old "fetus" and a 36-week old baby. At 36 weeks the only difference is which side of the womb the baby is on.

    There is a reason why 36 states ban late-term abortions.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Showing me a 36 week old child is not an argument - it's an appeal to my emotions. You're essentially saying, "Look at this cute kid who was born 2 weeks early. How could you be pro-choice?" That's not an argument.

    And actually no, it's not infanticide - infanticide is killing a NEWBORN. Abortions literally cannot be performed on newborns - because abortion is termination of PREGNANCY.
    Is a baby who was just born, then fundamentally different from one about to be born? Is there some transformation that takes place at the moment of birth?
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Why is banning late term abortion dumber than other laws that you disagree with?
    I've already stated that I think the rights of the woman are more important than the rights of a fetus and that banning abortion doesn't actually stop abortion, it just decreases the safety of women who want them.

    Umm...no. Comparing two rights, and deciding which is more important, is NOT the same as comparing two groups and deciding whose rights are more important. It's common for rights to conflict, and you have to choose which right is more important. Sometimes child molesters win these battles because of the importance of certain rights. They don't win because they're child molesters.
    And, in my opinion, the right of a potential person to live is less important than the right of an actual full grown human being to do what she wants with her body. I'm not sure if you would prefer for me to just consider the "right to life" vs "the right to control one's body" without taking into account whose rights we are considering, but if you are that's not going to happen.

    Like I said, I consider cases individually and in this case the "who" is just as important as the "what" to me. And the woman's rights are more important than the unborn child's rights.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It actually just takes someone who disagrees with you and isn't actually a monster, but a doctor.
    Doctors exist to heal and protect life, not take it. I can understand the position of people who support early term abortions, but late term abortions are nothing short of infanticide. I was born early at roughly 36 weeks. Why would it logically be ok to kill me due to my location inside of a womb versus outside?
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Do not put words in my mouth. I said none of what you are attributing to me. I provided you with the opportunity to view images of 36-week old babies, and I guess that makes you feel a little uncomfortable. I'm glad. Pretty difficult to rationalize the difference between a 36-week old "fetus" and a 36-week old baby. At 36 weeks the only difference is which side of the womb the baby is on.

    There is a reason why 36 states ban late-term abortions.
    Oh here we go - the same thing that happens in every abortion thread. A pro-lifer shows me a picture for an emotional appeal. I reject their emotional appeal and then they tell me it makes me uncomfortable as if they've now "got me". Well, obviously it makes me uncomfortable. I've also watched videos of actual abortions and those make uncomfortable. Do you know why? Because I am a human being. Shocker, I know since it seems pretty popular to frame pro-choicers as unfeeling monsters.

    But like I said, I made my decision based on reason - based on actual arguments. You can show me a picture of 36 week old and another pro-choicer can talk to me about how pro-lifers are "anti-women". BOTH arguments are EMOTIONAL APPEALS and have ZERO effect on my decision making process. So nice try, but no cigar.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is a baby who was just born, then fundamentally different from one about to be born? Is there some transformation that takes place at the moment of birth?
    When a child is born, it's no longer about a woman's control over her own body.

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