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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Human nature, presumably.
    Human nature is almost polar opposite in desire to human civilization.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Human nature is almost polar opposite in desire to human civilization.
    That depends how you define it.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Freedom doesn't mean we are free to do what we want to do, but rather be free to do what we ought to do. Don't misunderstand freedom!
    Who gets to decide what we ought to do?

    mpg: You can't impose liberty on anyone. If you're looking for a contradiction in terms, impose and liberty would be a good one.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    mpg: You can't impose liberty on anyone. If you're looking for a contradiction in terms, impose and liberty would be a good one.
    When the government protects your liberty by passing laws that protect you from me, and then enforces those laws with the use of force, they're imposing your liberty on me. Libertarians support this, but anarchists oppose it. Abortion laws are a classic example of this.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Who gets to decide what we ought to do?
    As I said, in traditional conservative philosophy it is according to human nature and the arguments made to show what this means. Indeed, from a traditional conservative position freedom is nothing more than freedom to develop your human nature.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    When the government protects your liberty by passing laws that protect you from me, and then enforces those laws with the use of force, they're imposing your liberty on me. Libertarians support this, but anarchists oppose it. Abortion laws are a classic example of this.
    Protecting my liberty from you is still not imposing liberty on anyone. People can and often do choose not to be free.

    and in an anarchy, no one is really free.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Because I think it's dumb to ban abortion in general not only because people are just going to end up getting them done by people who don't know what the hell they are doing (as we see in this story) and because the "rights" of a fetus should not be elevated above the rights of an adult.
    It's good for us though that laws aren't based on such a narrow minded view as yours. Luckily we have enough sane rational minded people to make sure atrocities like this aren't condoned.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    I thought the old adage was "Your rights end where another's begins". Abortion law follows this by stating that an unborn human being has rights.

    Some state laws apply legal rights to baby in utero, such as in the case of the murder of a pregnant woman, and each state has different definitions as to when that applies( based on gestational age ). The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 applies the same logic to numerous federal level laws as well.

    It sounds that there should be a place of common ground in defining these rights.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Protecting my liberty from you is still not imposing liberty on anyone. People can and often do choose not to be free.

    and in an anarchy, no one is really free.
    How can the government "protect our god given liberty" without doing it "by force of law"?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    It's good for us though that laws aren't based on such a narrow minded view as yours. Luckily we have enough sane rational minded people to make sure atrocities like this aren't condoned.
    Abortion is legal. So, I won.

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