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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It can't. But those two are not contradictory.
    He included "liberty" among his list of values.

    Then he said that he didn't "seek to impose my values on the rest of society by force of law". That means that he wants liberty, but doesn't want it imposed on the rest of society by force of law.

    Then he said "The purpose of government is to protect our god given liberty.". That means that he wants liberty (one of his values) imposed on the rest of society by force of law.

    If you don't see the contradiction, there's something wrong with your reading comprehension.

    edit: Anyone who understands the difference between anarchism and libertarianism already knew that he was contradicting himself. Anarchists think that everything should be legal, including taking away the liberty of others. Libertarians believe that it's the government's job to protect our liberty. By doing so, liberty (a value) is imposed by force of law.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Democracy is another value that's imposed on society by force of law.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    He included "liberty" among his list of values.

    Then he said that he didn't "seek to impose my values on the rest of society by force of law". That means that he wants liberty, but doesn't want it imposed on the rest of society by force of law.
    Wanting liberty doesn't mean you want anarchy.
    "Yes I read the 9th [amendment]. It doesn't say **** about abortion." -Jamesrage

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It can't. But those two are not contradictory.
    Liberty is also freedom from anarchy.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wanting liberty doesn't mean you want anarchy.
    If you don't want anarchy, you want liberty (a value) imposed on society by force of law.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Liberty is also freedom from anarchy.

    exactly, Hence the phrase: Your right to be free includes my right to be free from you.


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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Freedom doesn't mean we are free to do what we want to do, but rather be free to do what we ought to do. Don't misunderstand freedom!
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Freedom doesn't mean we are free to do what we want to do, but rather be free to do what we ought to do. Don't misunderstand freedom!
    Free to do what we ought to do according to whom?

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Are we all sure we know what anarchy is? It seems to have been misused in a few recent posts as a synonym for tyranny.

    In the United States, the term "anarchy" typically is meant to refer to a society without a publicly enforced government or violently enforced political authority. When used in this sense, anarchy may or may not be intended to imply political disorder or lawlessness within a society.

    Outside of the US, and by most individuals that self-identify as anarchists, it implies a system of governance, mostly theoretical at a nation state level although there are a few successful historical examples, that goes to lengths to avoid the use of coercion, violence, force and authority, while still producing a productive and desirable society.
    Anarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Free to do what we ought to do according to whom?
    Human nature, presumably.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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