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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

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    They were classical liberals. And they valued life.
    Then, I'm a classical liberal. I value life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and don't seek to impose my values on the rest of society by force of law.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Then, I'm a classical liberal. I value life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and don't seek to impose my values on the rest of society by force of law.

    The purpose of government is to protect our god given liberty.
    I hope so.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think that human life is eternal. The human soul has always existed, and will exist after the body dies. Life on Earth begins when the soul enters the body. Just when that happens is unknown, of course, but it doesn't seem plausible that it happens when the zygote is just a microscopic few cells. Logically it happens when the brain begins to function.

    Maybe it doesn't even happen until birth, or even later, when the individual develops self awareness.

    But, I have no way of knowing whether that is true or not, and neither does anyone else.
    Well when I say being I mean a being on our plane of existence. We can differentiate between a being with a corporeal form compounded of matter and form or soul, even if soul might exist beyond the corporeal sphere. But that corporeal being, while it is corporeal, is still that whole compound of form and matter, body and soul. To reduce it to only the soul is a dualism that produces all sorts of problems and makes little sense.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Pro lifers tend to want to impose their values on the rest of society by force of law.

    Not all of them do, of course, but that does seem to be a theme: I think abortion is wrong, and you'd better share my values or I'll do my best to impose them on you.

    It's not so much pro life as it is anti choice, which is anti freedom.
    All this sort of commentary, by both sides is stupid. It all depends if you think a fetus is a person. If you do then killing one is a great infringement of freedom. Repetition of these slogans, by either side though, is not going to help much.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Pro lifers tend to want to impose their values on the rest of society by force of law.

    Not all of them do, of course, but that does seem to be a theme: I think abortion is wrong, and you'd better share my values or I'll do my best to impose them on you.

    It's not so much pro life as it is anti choice, which is anti freedom.
    There is a reason that 36 states have laws against late-term abortions. Pretty difficult to argue that an 8.5 month old "fetus" isn't an unborn but viable baby at that point, one who is entitled to life and one whose continued existence is merely a temporary inconvenience for his or her mother. Weeks, I mean.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Having an abortion at 36 weeks is really ****ed up.
    Hell I'm pro choice.

    It's potential for viability is pretty high by that point.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Having an abortion at 36 weeks is really ****ed up.
    Hell I'm pro choice.

    It's potential for viability is pretty high by that point.
    It's repulsive.

    Any baby born between 37 and 42 weeks gestational age is considered "full term." 36 weeks is one week before that. 7 days. Just disgusting.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    It's repulsive.

    Any baby born between 37 and 42 weeks gestational age is considered "full term." 36 weeks is one week before that. 7 days. Just disgusting.
    If these women were ashamed, these doctors could of delivered the fetuses and dropped them off at the nearest hospital instead.
    Late term abortion methods are typically more dangerous than actual delivery or c section.

    Nuts I tell yea.
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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    As a matter of law, anyone killing an unborn baby in the commission of a crime would be charged with murder involving baby's much younger than this 8.5 month gestated one. These "doctors" should absolutely be charged with murder.

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    Re: 2 abortion providers charged with murder in Md.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As a matter of law, anyone killing an unborn baby in the commission of a crime would be charged with murder involving baby's much younger than this 8.5 month gestated one. These "doctors" should absolutely be charged with murder.

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