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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good GAWD! This guy is dangerous.


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    For all intents and purposes he might as well have followed that with, "and I am now formally withdrawing from the presidential race."

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

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    Just because YOU are not being spoon fed the information does not mean that those involved in this production are not aware.

    These places are either tapped and waiting, or in the process of being tapped for when the middle east oil supply gets cut off in this upcoming war with Iran.

    The catch is that most of these BIG oil reserves are at this point called "nature conservatories" of sorts.
    He's right. Fracking oil shale in the U.S. and Canada could allow us to let the Middle East become China and India's problem. We could be completely self-sufficient in oil and natural gas.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good GAWD! This guy is dangerous.


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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    With all due respect, the current president of Iran - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - is the real demon here. His direct threats and hatred toward the state of Israel is well documented and should be taken at it's face value.



    I hope we don't go that far. I remember reading about the Carter Doctrine in school where we would keep the strait open at all costs and I think it still applies here. But in the case of Iran I would just meet force with force but not escalate to a point of full out war. Sinking an Iranian ship, or ships, that is attempting to block the free flow of shipping in international waters would be appropriate and legal according to international law....although a few of my friends think like you.

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    I'm in no way calling for war with Iran. Please, don't misunderstand me here. I'm just saying that as long as Iran doesn't do something stupid such as attack any of our warships or aircraft in the region, we'll leave them alone as well. However, should they carry through with their threat of a naval blockade of the Staits of Hormez, we shouldn't go it alone to get them to lift the blockade as the Staits are part of international waters. It should require the consent of the international community to force Iran to concede should a blockade come to pass.

    Nonetheless, rest assured if Iran messes with us, we have more than enough fire power between our forces patroling the Mediterranean Sea and the India Ocean/Adriatic Sea to light up the region and make Iran wish they'd kept well enough alone.

    Tis all I'm saying...far from being a warmongerror.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    There is absolutely no need to attack Iran. Just sink any ship or shoot down any aircraft that attempts to enforce any blockade.
    Okay, now that I've re-read my post I think I need to state the obvious - I was being over dramatic with the "turn Iran into a desert wasteland" comment. Surely, we'd retaliate in-kind should Iran attack one of our warships and not make a counter-strike against the Iranian mainland.

    My point was should Iran attack us, we have more than enough fire power to strike back.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Ahh, the giant secret oil reserves conspiracy. Got it!
    It's not even all that secret...

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good GAWD! This guy is dangerous.

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    Not nearly as dangerous as what some here are spouting... willing to go to war with China and Russia just to prevent Iran from getting a nuke.

    And Ron Paul, the guy who says he does NOT want war is "dangerous".

    Good grief.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    For all intents and purposes he might as well have followed that with, "and I am now formally withdrawing from the presidential race."
    Actually, the opposite, every time there's an attack ad against Ron Paul, his numbers surge.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The naivete and weakness inherent in a Paul Presidency would be ruthlessly exploited by the nation's enemies and America's allies would be disheartened. Geopolitically, a Ron Paul Presidency would be highly destabilizing and the destablization that would result from it would make conflicts more likely not less likely. The interests of the United States and its allies would be badly damaged.
    Good... there's too many wars as it is... let our "allies" that use our "military good will" to their own ends be pissed that we're not their little tool anymore under Ron Paul.

    Mind you, Ron Paul would be assassinated within the week if he did become president, so it's kind of moot.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    He's right. Fracking oil shale in the U.S. and Canada could allow us to let the Middle East become China and India's problem. We could be completely self-sufficient in oil and natural gas.
    Probably not, Chuck. You want to tote that up for us?

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It would be nice if others assisted since most nations share major interests in the free passage of shipping through the Strait. However, the U.S. is in the best position to act quickly and decisively and given its vital interests at stake could do so on its own.
    We almost certainly have a force if not within a day, then no further than about 3 days from there, and a force more than large enough to get the job done(Carrier Task Force).
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Ron Paul believes the Iranians would be justified in blocking shipping through international waters and he would ignore the vital U.S. interests involved. From The Los Angeles Times:



    Ron Paul: Sanctions against Iran are 'acts of war' - latimes.com
    Holy ****! Paul is even more dangerous than I ever thought.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    If Iran blocks the straight, we hit them, and we hit them hard, all their nuclear facilities. We need to show Russia as well as China that we don't give a donkey's ass what they think.
    That's awesome, Awesome! When do you ship over?










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