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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Because it is international waters, the Strait would be subject to international law (correct?) and the UN


    provides two principal exceptions to the prohibition on the use of force in international affairs: 1.) The UN Security Council (not the General Assembly) can authorize member nations to “take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security” and 2) Force can be used in self defense under Article 51 of the Charter. Specifically, Article 51 says that: “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security….”


    Source: http://www.duke.edu/~pfeaver/dunlapterrorism.pdf

    Thus, wouldn't it be up to the international community to decide if anyone should go and attack the Strait?
    Not necessarily. The effort could be undertaken and then the UN Security Council could be informed that it was undertaken under Article 51. Naval blockades are acts of war. Iran, by blockading the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz, would have initiated an act of war.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    This is all a result of media generated hysteria promoted by US intelligence, warmongers, corporations, and politicians to demonize Iranians just like they demonized Saddam, Saddam and Iraq were no threat to the USA and neither is MudBob and Iran. Now wars do make money and if wars make you money, then you have to use every opportunity to gin up war, wherever you can find it. Wars are very profitable. Wait a minute, that's sounding like business. Even, business as usual. Screw that liberty and justice crap, let's profit handsomely from more war. That's how I sees it.
    Well you sees it wrong.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Two sides to this story. Our embargo against Iran constitutes an "act of war." Would you rather forget that, or are you still hearing the old Saddam lark "mushroom clouds in the US?" Complete bullcrap taking residence in your cerebellum.
    Embargos are not acts of war. Silly statement.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Being a former Navy vet having sailed throughout the waters in the Persian Gulf region - from Mediterranean Sea, the Suez Canel X2, the Adriatic Sea, the Straits of Hormez into the Persian Gulf X2 - I can tell you that the U.S. has had Navy warships in the region for decades ranging from an aircraft carrier battle group to smaller naval contingencies. All Iran is doing right now is postering, flexing their muscles so-to-speak. They've been itching for a fight with the U.S. for over 30 years. It's not surprising to see them do things just to egg us on.

    Let Iran conduct their naval exercises. As long as they don't do anything stupid like fire upon one of our warships, there's really nothing to worry about. But if they do, we'd just unleash every cruise and/or Tomahawk missle we have on their butts and really turn Iran into a desert wasteland. But if all they do is institute a naval blockade of the Strait, I would hope that the President and all other U.N. member nations would join together to do whatever it took to stop the blockade including authorizing the use of military force. In other words, as long as we're not attacked I see no reason why the U.S. should take on Iran's threat of a blockade - assuming, of course, they carry through with the threat - by ourselves. It's international waters; the international community has a stack in this, too, probably moreso than we do since we import less OPEC oil now than we did 10 years ago.
    There is absolutely no need to attack Iran. Just sink any ship or shoot down any aircraft that attempts to enforce any blockade.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Just because YOU are not being spoon fed the information does not mean that those involved in this production are not aware.

    These places are either tapped and waiting, or in the process of being tapped for when the middle east oil supply gets cut off in this upcoming war with Iran.

    The catch is that most of these BIG oil reserves are at this point called "nature conservatories" of sorts.
    Ahh, the giant secret oil reserves conspiracy. Got it!

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    This is all a result of media generated hysteria promoted by US intelligence, warmongers, corporations, and politicians to demonize Iranians just like they demonized Saddam, Saddam and Iraq were no threat to the USA and neither is MudBob and Iran. Now wars do make money and if wars make you money, then you have to use every opportunity to gin up war, wherever you can find it. Wars are very profitable. Wait a minute, that's sounding like business. Even, business as usual. Screw that liberty and justice crap, let's profit handsomely from more war. That's how I sees it.
    Iran made the threat to close the Strait of Hormuz. The threat was not an invention of U.S. Intelligence or others.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It would be nice if others assisted since most nations share major interests in the free passage of shipping through the Strait. However, the U.S. is in the best position to act quickly and decisively and given its vital interests at stake could do so on its own.
    I think you are right on that, however it gives me pause to think that if Paul were in this would not be so.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think you are right on that, however it gives me pause to think that if Paul were in this would not be so.

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    Ron Paul believes the Iranians would be justified in blocking shipping through international waters and he would ignore the vital U.S. interests involved. From The Los Angeles Times:

    Paul, one of the leading contenders to win next week's Iowa caucuses, said Iran would be justified in responding to the sanctions by blocking the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz. He compared the western sanctions to a hypothetical move by China to block the Gulf of Mexico, which Americans would consider an act of war.

    He also said he would not respond militarily to keep the strait open—because he would not consider it an act of war against the U.S. But if he were president, he would report to Congress on the issue, leaving it up to lawmakers to declare war if they wanted.
    Ron Paul: Sanctions against Iran are 'acts of war' - latimes.com

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    If Iran blocks the straight, we hit them, and we hit them hard, all their nuclear facilities. We need to show Russia as well as China that we don't give a donkey's ass what they think.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Ron Paul believes the Iranians would be justified in blocking shipping through international waters and he would ignore the vital U.S. interests involved. From The Los Angeles Times:



    Ron Paul: Sanctions against Iran are 'acts of war' - latimes.com

    Good GAWD! This guy is dangerous.


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