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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, my question here. If Iran tries to block the Straight, 1. is that an act of war? and 2. Would the US be justified in taking out Iran's navy, and possibly further action in Iran?


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    Two sides to this story. Our embargo against Iran constitutes an "act of war." Would you rather forget that, or are you still hearing the old Saddam lark "mushroom clouds in the US?" Complete bullcrap taking residence in your cerebellum.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If Iran tries to block the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz, it would be an act of war. The U.S. would be justified in using such force as is necessary to clear and safeguard the Strait.
    Because it is international waters, the Strait would be subject to international law (correct?) and the UN


    provides two principal exceptions to the prohibition on the use of force in international affairs: 1.) The UN Security Council (not the General Assembly) can authorize member nations to “take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security” and 2) Force can be used in self defense under Article 51 of the Charter. Specifically, Article 51 says that: “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security….”


    Source: http://www.duke.edu/~pfeaver/dunlapterrorism.pdf

    Thus, wouldn't it be up to the international community to decide if anyone should go and attack the Strait?
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Two sides to this story. Our embargo against Iran constitutes an "act of war." Would you rather forget that, or are you still hearing the old Saddam lark "mushroom clouds in the US?" Complete bullcrap taking residence in your cerebellum.
    That's incorrect as an embargo is "a state-sponsored prohibition on the movement of goods between nations" (http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/...Embargo.html#b) and is not an act of war.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, my question here. If Iran tries to block the Straight, 1. is that an act of war? and 2. Would the US be justified in taking out Iran's navy, and possibly further action in Iran?


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    It would not be a direct Act of war against us, but would be against Saudi Arabia. it's their problem to solve, not ours.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    It would not be a direct Act of war against us, but would be against Saudi Arabia. it's their problem to solve, not ours.
    its an act of war against any country that depends on the oil that goes through the Strait.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its an act of war against any country that depends on the oil that goes through the Strait.
    Which is (according to a news report I heard last night) 80+ percent.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    But on the other hand, it also may be the catalyst that causes Russia and/or China to go to arms against the US.
    Chine an Russia don't need the Strait closed and I don'think there is anything for them to gain by going to war with the United States, over this.

    In 1967, when relations between the United States and the Soviets were even more volatile than they are now, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran and it came to war the Soviets didn't come unhinged and I don't think they will, now.
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