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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If Iran tries to block the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz, it would be an act of war. The U.S. would be justified in using such force as is necessary to clear and safeguard the Strait.
    Uh, and it the U.S. didn't have a large presence there do you think Iran would try to block the Strait of Hormuz?










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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Would it be just the US being called on, or do you see a more global response?


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    We need to stay the **** out of it.










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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    I would think this would be a battle for UN-nations forces instead of the US unilaterally. We don't need a repeat of the Iraqi invasion.
    I agree darlin', but you know the neocons have to have a war. They can't stand not killing nations into submission. Karma happens!










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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    We need to stay the **** out of it.
    Nope, not going to happen, so realistic options would be appreciated, instead of the predictable Ron Paul craziness.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    I would think this would be a battle for UN-nations forces instead of the US unilaterally. We don't need a repeat of the Iraqi invasion.
    Exactly how many soldiers does the United Nations have? I don't believe they have ANY.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, my question here. If Iran tries to block the Straight, 1. is that an act of war? .............
    I believe it far more likely to be shown to be an act of stupidity. It would greenlight our taking out every offensive weapon Iran has that would even remotely threaten the sea. That would include every ship in its Navy, and anythng else we put in crosshairs. It would also remove all political barriers to wiping out their nuke program. Iran would be suing for peace in a matter of days, and Imanutjob would be toppled. We'd never have to put a soldier on the ground.


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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    I love how Risky is calling Obama & Team Neocons now... that's funny stuff.

    Iran can block the Straits - the U.S. ain't gonna do diddly. Suggesting such a thing would require a sack with balls... and Iran knows we're sackless especially when Iran doesn't have to fire first. Plausible deniability will send Obama's Admin to the U.N. crying foul. Our generals and Admirals will be screaming to kick some ass and Obama will not --- this is an ELECTION YEAR PEOPLE! Get friggin real here... he's not going to fire on Iran unless Iran fires on our ships first and even THEN he may retaliate.

    Iran knows how weak Obama is - they're playing with him like a cat plays with a ball of yarn. The question is how risky is Iran going to be and how far will they push it? They're not worried about Obama, they're more worried someone on those ships DOES have sack and balls and kicks the **** out of them and forces the issue.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, not going to happen, so realistic options would be appreciated, instead of the predictable Ron Paul craziness.

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    In truth you are correct. There are those of you who want war: for the sake of conquest; because of racial hatred, because of oil; because of a selfish need to fulfill supposed religious prophecy; because of the belief that war is good for the economy; because of the misguided belief that America can do anything it wants. War with Iran will happen.

    The war drums have been beating for a while now. Washington believes it may be the only way to salvage the economy (if so, they are wrong). Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq in preparation for Iran. Does anyone not believe that? The rapidly increasing loss of American fundamental rights is yet another bellwether. TSA is ramping up in a major way for war within the U.S. All the signs are there. We are going to go to war with Iran.

    The war will not be a short one and it will not be a cake walk and it will come to the soil of the United States and its allies. Bet on it. Oil prices will increase, stocks will decrease. The U.S. will be involved in a long protracted war, not just with Iran, but with its allies. Iran's army will not be a push over and we WILL be involved in a ground war. Will be go for another "regime change"? No one knows.

    As the war escalates who else will be involved? Eqypt? Probably, which side? Syria? Probably. Turkey? Not likely. Saudi Arabia? As the war escalates, maybe. Israel? Let's hope not. Once Israel gets involved the war will take on new and volatile dimensions. Russia? We could realistically look at a large number of nations who would or could have dogs in the fight. That is one reason the war will escalate. The other is that the war WILL come to the United States. Washington knows this. Americans are in no way prepared for the shock of war on American soil. It will be nasty. It will last a long time.

    When will we win?
    Will it destroy the already wobbly American economy?
    How much more freedom are you willing to give up to fight a protracted war?
    How will we know we won?
    What will we will?
    What will it cost in terms of lives, money and international relations?
    What will be the net gain?

    No one, no one can answer any of those questions with any certainty. All we know is that America wants to go to war again and some people are chomping at the bits.










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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    if we attacked Iranian ships in the Straits, would we also attack their nuke sites inland?

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I love how Risky is calling Obama & Team Neocons now... that's funny stuff.
    That's because you are a partisan sheep.

    Iran can block the Straits - the U.S. ain't gonna do diddly. Suggesting such a thing would require a sack with balls... and Iran knows we're sackless especially when Iran doesn't have to fire first. Plausible deniability will send Obama's Admin to the U.N. crying foul. Our generals and Admirals will be screaming to kick some ass and Obama will not --- this is an ELECTION YEAR PEOPLE! Get friggin real here... he's not going to fire on Iran unless Iran fires on our ships first and even THEN he may retaliate.

    Iran knows how weak Obama is - they're playing with him like a cat plays with a ball of yarn. The question is how risky is Iran going to be and how far will they push it? They're not worried about Obama, they're more worried someone on those ships DOES have sack and balls and kicks the **** out of them and forces the issue.
    When the fit hits the shan I suggest you pony your narrow ass down to the recruiter and re-enlist so you can be sure and get some. It'll be fun. I want you to be one of the first to enjoy it.










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