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Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

Ockham said:
Awww... did I hit a nerve? Isn't everyone but you a partisan sheep and a neocon? :lamo





Sorry, I'm now over the age limit and already served. Unlike you I actually picked up a gun and trained in defense of my country.
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Bet you couldn't have picked up MY gun.

 
Tigger said:
Exactly how many soldiers does the United Nations have? I don't believe they have ANY.
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The UN itself does not have soldiers - the member nations are a different story.

My point is the US needs to quit acting like it rules the world. It doesn't and it cannot afford to go into a war with the likely potential to become WW# unilaterally. Excellent description by risky Thicket in #18.
 
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Thunder said:
if we attacked Iranian ships in the Straits, would we also attack their nuke sites inland?
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Not only possibly, but probably.
They'll most likely attack by:
1) Air strikes, probably by B-2s, possibly by modified versions of the B-52
2) Sabotage. I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA or some other intelligence agency had a prepared plan to strike those nuclear installations. It could range from cyber attacks to strikes by prepared units.
3) Long-range surface-to-surface missiles, possibly fired from land/naval forces in the area.
 
Ockham said:
Awww... did I hit a nerve? Isn't everyone but you a partisan sheep and a neocon? :lamo

Sorry, I'm now over the age limit and already served. Unlike you I actually picked up a gun and trained in defense of my country.
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Then I suggest you make sure and send your children into the fray, if you feel the need to go to war is so compelling. You advocate war, put skin in the game. If you can't go then you should be more than willing to send those you love.
 
j-mac said:
So, my question here. If Iran tries to block the Straight, 1. is that an act of war? and 2. Would the US be justified in taking out Iran's navy, and possibly further action in Iran?


j-mac
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Two sides to this story. Our embargo against Iran constitutes an "act of war." Would you rather forget that, or are you still hearing the old Saddam lark "mushroom clouds in the US?" Complete bullcrap taking residence in your cerebellum.
 
donsutherland1 said:
If Iran tries to block the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz, it would be an act of war. The U.S. would be justified in using such force as is necessary to clear and safeguard the Strait.
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Because it is international waters, the Strait would be subject to international law (correct?) and the UN


provides two principal exceptions to the prohibition on the use of force in international affairs: 1.) The UN Security Council (not the General Assembly) can authorize member nations to “take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security” and 2) Force can be used in self defense under Article 51 of the Charter. Specifically, Article 51 says that: “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security….”​


Source: http://www.duke.edu/~pfeaver/dunlapterrorism.pdf

Thus, wouldn't it be up to the international community to decide if anyone should go and attack the Strait?
 
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My gun.... at least the last year I was in... my version was an earlier version as this is the M106A6. They've got sweet fire controls now and the FSCC's aren't needed any more.

I tried being a tanker but couldn't deal with the closed spaces.


 
j-mac said:
So, my question here. If Iran tries to block the Straight, 1. is that an act of war? and 2. Would the US be justified in taking out Iran's navy, and possibly further action in Iran?


j-mac
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It would not be a direct Act of war against us, but would be against Saudi Arabia. it's their problem to solve, not ours.
 
Thunder said:
its an act of war against any country that depends on the oil that goes through the Strait.
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Which is (according to a news report I heard last night) 80+ percent.
 
Captain America said:
But on the other hand, it also may be the catalyst that causes Russia and/or China to go to arms against the US.
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Chine an Russia don't need the Strait closed and I don'think there is anything for them to gain by going to war with the United States, over this.

In 1967, when relations between the United States and the Soviets were even more volatile than they are now, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran and it came to war the Soviets didn't come unhinged and I don't think they will, now.
 
DaveFagan said:
Two sides to this story. Our embargo against Iran constitutes an "act of war." Would you rather forget that, or are you still hearing the old Saddam lark "mushroom clouds in the US?" Complete bullcrap taking residence in your cerebellum.
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Nah, I don't think that Iran when they develop their nuke, could reach the US conventionally. But, being a terrorist nation state, they could develop a method to deliver a nuke to a US city through a homicide bomber. Although, also not likely in the immediate, the more plausible threat is to hold this nation hostage through regional destabilization, and threat to Israel.

In any case it would not be a positive to adopt a blind eye, and just let Iran develop one. Sanctions may be an act of war, but they are the method used to avoid bloodshed. Problem is that they rarely work.


j-mac
 
Closet homosexuals showing their big guns to each other and warmongers left AND right...

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j-mac said:
So, my question here. If Iran tries to block the Straight, 1. is that an act of war? and 2. Would the US be justified in taking out Iran's navy, and possibly further action in Iran?


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1) Yes, that would be an act of war.

2) Yes, not only would we be justified, we would have to do it. Hormuz is too critical to not just us, but the world.

By the way, filming an aircraft carrier, especially in that area is not hard to do.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
I would think this would be a battle for UN-nations forces instead of the US unilaterally. We don't need a repeat of the Iraqi invasion.
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I doubt we would invade Iran, we would just remove Iran's ability to block the straits.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Uh, and it the U.S. didn't have a large presence there do you think Iran would try to block the Strait of Hormuz?
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Iran is threatening to block the straits in retaliation for a potential US led embargo on Iranian oil.
 
apdst said:
Chine an Russia don't need the Strait closed and I don'think there is anything for them to gain by going to war with the United States, over this.

In 1967, when relations between the United States and the Soviets were even more volatile than they are now, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran and it came to war the Soviets didn't come unhinged and I don't think they will, now.
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The largest portion of oil going through the straits is destined for China. They definitely do not want the straits blocked.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Then I suggest you make sure and send your children into the fray, if you feel the need to go to war is so compelling. You advocate war, put skin in the game. If you can't go then you should be more than willing to send those you love.
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I don't have children. Any other useless suggestions and name calling or are you all done now?
 
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