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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ........... An energy crisis is not a risk to the life of American citizens. No action is warranted, action is not. If the prices go out of control that is where the market starts to work, not where government starts to save the day. The US government has no authority to be involved in the matter. ........
    What ? If the cost of fuel here doubles, you do not see that as a threat to all Americans ? More loss of competitiveness and more jobs lost ? Certainly a double-dip recession, if not depression. You don't perceive the enormous hardship ?

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The Iranian government is certainly not a victim, its quite clear it wants to become a regional power and part of that is undermining US influences in the region. They've been active even when they weren't directly threatened, for example support certain insurgent groups in Iraq or Afghanistan. However lets be clear, the Iranian people for the most part don't have a dog in this fight, they are more concerned with domestic problems than foreign ones and yes some of them have suffered due to sanctions, its a necessarily cost but it doesn't mean their sacrifice doesn't exist.
    In part this is why the sanctions have some chance to work. It would destabilize Iran, and it would reduce the power of those in charge of Iran. There is no proof that sanctions will work, but the other two options are military strikes or letting Iran get nuclear weapons, both of which are inferior options to sanctions to my mind.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The U.S. doesn't have rights to the Strait, so I don't see how it would be a direct declaration of war against the U.S. to block it. Obviously it would affect our oil economy, but in terms of legal provisions, the Strait is not ours so all of this entitlement to attack Iran about it is uncalled for. If the U.S. attacks Iran over the Strait then we would be violating international law. Despite what the warhawks would have us believe, we can't just go to war with any country we want. Mind you, the UN law has been flouted many times in recent years by several of the big powers, so it might not matter, especially if the U.S. forms a coalition again.

    I have to agree though that during a recession and an election year, another major war would be extremely unpopular - but it could happen anyway, since oil industry is our biggest sacred cow. Anything that obstructs it would suffer the rath of the Republocrats. Not to mention, the POTUS has the unilateral power to deploy the military now, so it would actually be up to King Obama and not so much our Congress, unless the GOP makes a push for it to happen.

    The only loose canon here is Israel, and their government has been looking for any excuse to bomb the **** out of Iran for several years now. The tensions are climbing. It wouldn't be so severe if Iran weren't already surrounded by nations that have been infiltrated by our military. They are likely to be more nervous, and more nervous means they will take measures to procure their security.
    The US is threatening to stop any attempt to close the straits, not to strike Iran itself.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Why is it that US conservatives are so blood thirsty and war hungry?

    Finally the US can draw down its massive military spending and now the US conservatives are looking for the next war to get more American's killed in.

    It is after all mostly the US conservatives fault that Iran is doing what it is doing... deal with your own failures by admitting that before going all guns blazing against Iran and its people. Dont be the starter of the next war.. let them make the first move and at least you will have justice and legal aspect on your side for once.
    Pete, try and understand this. The US is planning sanctions against Iran instead of military strikes. The US will stop any effort of Iran to close the straits, which is hardly going to war. And some of us liberals agree that Iran cannot be allowed to close the straits.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What ? If the cost of fuel here doubles, you do not see that as a threat to all Americans ? More loss of competitiveness and more jobs lost ? Certainly a double-dip recession, if not depression. You don't perceive the enormous hardship ?

    Ron Paul is a friggin whacko.
    What does enormous hardships have to do with keeping our nation save? From what I can tell nothing. As for the price of oil it should cause people to move past the solution if it hurts enough, so it should resolve itself. On a sidenote, the government worrying about the price of energy prices is a bit hypocritical since they have been trying to run coal plants price up to make their solution more desirable for a good year and a half now. The government does understand the use of prices in a market and do practice it regardless of how hypocritical they are about it.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Meh. Iran doesn't have the balls to close the Strait.
    I suspect this is most likely. They have no real chance to close the straits by simple blockade, and other methods would hurt them more than any one else. One Carrier Task Force could take out the entire Iranian navy with minimal casualties.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    This thread begs the questions:

    What steps would other nations take to protect their interests if the US did not do it for them?

    How much money would be saved by letting other countries handle their own problems - money that could be put toward rebuilding the US infrastructure, educational system, health system, etc.?
    It is a US problem. A nuclear Iran is a threat to the US, and the closing of the straits would dramatically raise oil prices. The US can only lose by either giving in.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is a US problem. A nuclear Iran is a threat to the US, and the closing of the straits would dramatically raise oil prices. The US can only lose by either giving in.
    more like: a nuclear Iran is a threat to American troops. They are not a threat to me or anyone else in the United States.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    more like: a nuclear Iran is a threat to American troops. They are not a threat to me or anyone else in the United States.
    i would submit that a nuclear pakistan is more of a threat to our troops deployed to the ME
    to consider iran a domestic nuclear threat is a bit of a stretch
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What does enormous hardships have to do with keeping our nation save? From what I can tell nothing. As for the price of oil it should cause people to move past the solution if it hurts enough, so it should resolve itself. On a sidenote, the government worrying about the price of energy prices is a bit hypocritical since they have been trying to run coal plants price up to make their solution more desirable for a good year and a half now. The government does understand the use of prices in a market and do practice it regardless of how hypocritical they are about it.
    Iran's hand on the oil spigot is not a natural capitalist market force. It would cause unnatural fluctuations in supply, which would disproportinately effect certain countries more than others. Much to our ruin.

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