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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Spare me the drama, and poor history. This is not like invading Canada 230+ years ago. This would be far more like as taking out Iraq's offensive capabilities in all of about 12 hours just 8 years ago. Our goal is not to invade or occupy Iran. Were it to block the Straits, it would be effectively neutered within a few days.
    Ya, I remember how we "won the war" in 12 hours, because Saddam Hussein had a yellow cake after 9-11.

    Either way, I don't doubt that we could overwhelm their military, but it certainly would not be anything like how quickly Iraqi forces were initially overwhelmed.

    Once the strait is blocked, it could take many months to resolve the problem and get ships moving again... not that it would take THAT long to have a significant impact on oil prices, which would undoubtedly push the economy over the edge of a cliff.

    Then the only choice becomes to create a war economy... and you'll either be working to build up the military, adding to the the boots on the ground, or acting as "homeland security".

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Why is it that US conservatives are so blood thirsty and war hungry?

    Finally the US can draw down its massive military spending and now the US conservatives are looking for the next war to get more American's killed in.

    It is after all mostly the US conservatives fault that Iran is doing what it is doing... deal with your own failures by admitting that before going all guns blazing against Iran and its people. Dont be the starter of the next war.. let them make the first move and at least you will have justice and legal aspect on your side for once.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Meh. Iran doesn't have the balls to close the Strait.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I listen to all the cheerleaders for war mouthing their inane platitudes.
    If Iran knows that the U.S. would militarily intervene to prevent it from closing the Strait of Hormuz, it will be deterred from doing so (it lacks the means to keep it closed). If, however, Iran knows that the U.S. has inept leadership (e.g., Ron Paul) and might not intervene unless Congress can act to overcome the ineptness of the Executive Branch, it could be tempted to try to close the Strait. In other words, the weak leadership would make a wholly avoidable situation a self-fulfilling one. In the former case, conflict is unlikely. In the latter, it is certain should Iran try to close the Strait.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    While I understand your concerns, I have no doubt that Congress would approve a declaration of war in that situation.
    Congress would probably intervene. But Congress shouldn't have to micromanage foreign and national security on account of a leadership void in the White House. Moreover, the Ron Paul stance could be just what it takes to invite Iran to try to close the Strait. If Iran is deterred, and its knowing that certain military action on the part of the U.S. would follow any attempt to close the Strait, would deter Iran and there would be no conflict. If deterrence fails and Iran tries to close the Strait, then conflict would follow. In the end, Ron Paul offers platitudes of seeking peace, yet his naive approach would be the one that makes conflict more likely, as it would shatter deterrence.

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Congress would probably intervene. But Congress shouldn't have to micromanage foreign and national security on account of a leadership void in the White House. Moreover, the Ron Paul stance could be just what it takes to invite Iran to try to close the Strait. If Iran is deterred, and its knowing that certain military action on the part of the U.S. would follow any attempt to close the Strait, would deter Iran and there would be no conflict. If deterrence fails and Iran tries to close the Strait, then conflict would follow. In the end, Ron Paul offers platitudes of seeking peace, yet his naive approach would be the one that makes conflict more likely, as it would shatter deterrence.
    I'm not a Paul supporter. I do understand his stance with regards to the Constitution. Thankfully, we won't have to worry about Ron Paul becoming President. I just wanted to point out that Congress would likely still take action in this specific situation.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Meh. Iran doesn't have the balls to close the Strait.
    of course they do
    watch them if provoked
    hopefully, we and israel will not be so stupid
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    This thread begs the questions:

    What steps would other nations take to protect their interests if the US did not do it for them?

    How much money would be saved by letting other countries handle their own problems - money that could be put toward rebuilding the US infrastructure, educational system, health system, etc.?

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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    This thread begs the questions:

    What steps would other nations take to protect their interests if the US did not do it for them?

    How much money would be saved by letting other countries handle their own problems - money that could be put toward rebuilding the US infrastructure, educational system, health system, etc.?
    To be blunt, several other countries (see: western Europe, Israel, Middle East client states) would be quite screwed if their defense wasn't subsidized by the US taxpayer.
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    Re: Strait of Hormuz standoff: Iran films US aircraft carrier

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    To be blunt, several other countries (see: western Europe, Israel, Middle East client states) would be quite screwed if their defense wasn't subsidized by the US taxpayer.

    their defense from whom?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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