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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What you want next? Open ballots, so we know who voted for who?
    Crazy idea, right? So I guess you don't realize that we actually used to have open ballots in this country? Know why they did away with it? Was it to protect free speech rights? No, it wasn't. They instituted the secret ballot because open ballots made it too easy to sell votes. In other words, secret ballots were adopted to avoid corruption, which is the same reason we need transparency in political donations.

    We're entitled to free speech -- not secret speech.
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

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    It's about transparency in government. Do you really think it would be a viable system if anyone could anonymously give any amount of cash to public employees? That's basically how it worked around the turn of the 20th century, and they changed the rules for very good reasons.
    Transparency in the government is fine. Transparency in my private life isn't.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

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    So you ant to be able to exercise your political rights in the dead of a dark night underneath a hood of anonymity so to speak without having to explain anything to your fellow citizens?

    Why would you need that sort of protection?
    To keep from being threatened and and intimidated for holding a view contrary to what others think I should hold.
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Transparency in the government is fine. Transparency in my private life isn't.
    There is an intersection where your private life and your involvement in the peoples government meet and overlap and what is what is being discussed here.

    Of course, one could well understand how a person may want their own political actions kept secret from their neighbors. Years ago we had secret societies established for just those purposes. The members were so concerned about protecting their own anonymity that they ever went to the extremes of donning hoods and covering their clothing in robes all in an effort to be able to do what they wanted politically but to keep those activities secret.
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Crazy idea, right? So I guess you don't realize that we actually used to have open ballots in this country? Know why they did away with it? Was it to protect free speech rights? No, it wasn't. They instituted the secret ballot because open ballots made it too easy to sell votes. In other words, secret ballots were adopted to avoid corruption, which is the same reason we need transparency in political donations.

    [We're entitled to free speech -- not secret speech.
    Wow!!! That almost sounds like you're saying that the government can listen in on my private conversations without a warrant.

    Libbos blow me away! They really do!!

    We don't have the right to secret speech!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is an intersection where your private life and your involvement in the peoples government meet and overlap and what is what is being discussed here.

    Of course, one could well understand how a person may want their own political actions kept secret from their neighbors. Years ago we had secret societies established for just those purposes. The members were so concerned about protecting their own anonymity that they ever went to the extremes of donning hoods and covering their clothing in robes all in an effort to be able to do what they wanted politically but to keep those activities secret.
    No it was to hide the identities of the people that committed crimes. Not to hide the activities which were very very VERY public.
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is an intersection where your private life and your involvement in the peoples government meet and overlap and what is what is being discussed here.

    Of course, one could well understand how a person may want their own political actions kept secret from their neighbors. Years ago we had secret societies established for just those purposes. The members were so concerned about protecting their own anonymity that they ever went to the extremes of donning hoods and covering their clothing in robes all in an effort to be able to do what they wanted politically but to keep those activities secret.
    They donned those outfits, so they could intimidate people into voting their way, or not voting at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    I agree that change needs to happen regarding campaigns. But the point of this thread was suppose to be mainly about how things should happen after the campaigns stop. After the politician is elected. And before the next campaign to get re-elected.

    People are always going on about campaign contributions, campaign this and campaign that. Don't you all think that we need to address the WHOLE problem? Not just when they are campaigning? We have an article in the OP which shows that politicians are making the most money while they are in office. Lets address that.
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They donned those outfits, so they could intimidate people into voting their way, or not voting at all.
    And all this time I thought it was to protect their nice clean suits when they castrated uppity Blacks who dared to think they actually had some rights in the white southerners world. .
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No it was to hide the identities of the people that committed crimes. Not to hide the activities which were very very VERY public.
    You seem to distinguish between their political activities and their criminal activities which were one and the same. That is exactly what apdst wants to do is protect his identity when he does his political activities.

    We are under no obligation to explain anything to my fellow citizens, regarding my political beliefs, nor how I excercise them.
    I guess certain cultural traditions do not die but live on over time.
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