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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    don't need public finance of political campaigns
    what we need are a few more rules

    only those registered to vote can make campaign contributions, not to exceed $x amount per candidate
    if the person running for office will not appear on your ballot, you cannot contribute to their campaign
    ALL funds contributed MUST be posted on a specific federal web site within 10 days of such contribution, identifying the name of the donor, the amount donated, and the form of the donation
    any donations received but not posted on that web site within the time frame will be viewed as an illegal bribe
    campaign contributions not spent on the campaign by the candidate can be held into perpetuity or given to the US Treasury

    what does this do:
    eliminates foreign countries, multinational corporations, PACs, trade unions from being able to buy political influence
    eliminates wealthy citizens like soros in new york from buying political offices in places where they are not registered to vote, ohio, for instance
    we can distinguish legal contributions from illegal bribes
    candidates such as palin cannot personally benefit from their collected campaign contributions
    finally, we get to see how well candidates can effectively allocate their campaign funds; if they are unable to do that for their own campaign then i don't want them making decisions about spending taxpayer dollars

    if we fail to implement such changes we will continue to have the best government money can buy
    So much for the 4th Amendment.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

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    So much for the 4th Amendment.
    how does that violate the fourth amendment?
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how does that violate the fourth amendment?
    It violates my right to make a political donation without having my name plastered all over the internet, possibly inviting intimidation from someone who doesn't like my political lean.

    Just like a ballot, my political donations should be private.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It violates my right to make a political donation without having my name plastered all over the internet, possibly inviting intimidation from someone who doesn't like my political lean.

    Just like a ballot, my political donations should be private.
    i missed the portion of your post showing us where a violation of the 4th amendment would exist
    try again, please
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i missed the portion of your post showing us where a violation of the 4th amendment would exist
    try again, please
    I already explained it to you. It's not fault that you don't get it. What's next? Publish the names of who voted for who?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I already explained it to you.
    actually, you didn't

    It's not fault that you don't get it.
    you cannot expect me to comprehend something you failed to post


    What's next? Publish the names of who voted for who?
    i'll make it easier for you; here is the fourth amendment:
    AMENDMENT IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    Fourth Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

    now, please point out the violation you insist would result
    don't run from the question. answer it. or fold your tent
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't buy this rationale at all, but I see this all the time. Most Congresspeople don't enter into politics in order to get rich in office, as the vast majority of them are already wealthy. How do you think they run all these multi-million dollar campaigns? They actually take a pay cut to serve in the legislature.
    Originally you would be correct. They don't originally go into politics to get rich. But after they've been there awhile you can bet that is why they keep running for office.

    And if they actually take a pay cut then how is it that politicians who first go into office have an average income of 100k. But after awhile they are making millions? As the article shows.
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and under those rules, for the candidate to accept those monies he makes himself vulnerable to conviction for accepting a bribe
    How? You can't stop someone from sending an anonymous donation, that interfere's with the right to privacy. Whats the politician suppose to do about it? He/she can't send it back as he/she has no idea who it belongs to. Which also means that he/she has no idea if its someone bribing him/her or if it is an honest donation.


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    those major campaign contributors are giving money to the politician often with the expectation to buy influence. this would end that practice
    now, the one seeking to influence the political outcome might use other means, but they no longer get to buy influence in the form of legal bribes, also known as campaign contributions
    And one way to "use other means" is to send in donations anonymously.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the offer of a job to a politician or his staff is something which would not be prohibited under such a revision, but that would not prevent other rules becoming effective to eliminate revolving door influence
    As it should not. You can't stop someone for offering a position in thier company to someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thought this thread was about politicians being unfairly enriched because of the laxity of rules governing their behavior
    It is, but if you read the article they are mainly talking about them making money while in office. Which means campaign contributions is a seperate issue. The rules we need to determine is how they should act while in office.
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How? You can't stop someone from sending an anonymous donation, that interfere's with the right to privacy. Whats the politician suppose to do about it? He/she can't send it back as he/she has no idea who it belongs to. Which also means that he/she has no idea if its someone bribing him/her or if it is an honest donation.
    which means it violates the rules requiring the donor amount and form to be identifiable. so it goes to the treasury

    And one way to "use other means" is to send in donations anonymously.
    because the donations/bribes are sent that way does not mean they are then found acceptable. the politician would violate the rules by being unable to identify the donor. the $ would have to be transmitted to treasury to prevent the politician from being culpable for bribe taking

    As it should not. You can't stop someone for offering a position in thier company to someone.
    in my federal position i was prohibited from going immediately to work for those i assisted in my governmental capacity. for seven years prohibited from aiding/working for those with whom i served as their contracting officer. good rules to prevent the revolving door. otherwise i could have arranged a sweetheart deal for the contractor, payable with taxpayer dollars, to open the door to a good paying job with my former client. we should do the same ethical cleansing with congress and congressional staff


    It is,
    good, we both acknowledge i was correct about the thread topic


    ... but if you read the article they are mainly talking about them making money while in office. Which means campaign contributions is a seperate issue. The rules we need to determine is how they should act while in office.
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Economic downturn took a detour at Capitol Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    which means it violates the rules requiring the donor amount and form to be identifiable. so it goes to the treasury


    because the donations/bribes are sent that way does not mean they are then found acceptable. the politician would violate the rules by being unable to identify the donor. the $ would have to be transmitted to treasury to prevent the politician from being culpable for bribe taking
    Which means instead of the money going to where the money was meant to go it very well could go towards something that the donor doesn't want it to go. It's not a tax so I would describe it as theft. And since money is considered a form of speech you are also denying free speech. The whole point of sending donations to a politician is to support what they say and espouse. To have your views represented. Your views will not be represented if your money gets sent to do something else...particularly if your money is used for something you don't support.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    in my federal position i was prohibited from going immediately to work for those i assisted in my governmental capacity. for seven years prohibited from aiding/working for those with whom i served as their contracting officer. good rules to prevent the revolving door. otherwise i could have arranged a sweetheart deal for the contractor, payable with taxpayer dollars, to open the door to a good paying job with my former client. we should do the same ethical cleansing with congress and congressional staff
    And after 7 years they get a nice sign up bonus. Just because someone isn't a politician anymore doesn't mean that they don't have contacts derived from their time in office that can give them an advantage that no one else has.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    good, we both acknowledge i was correct about the thread topic
    Good job totally ignoring the rest of that sentence.
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