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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not only do I have a right to protest, I have a right to freely associate with like minded individuals.

    But you can call the president a jerk which might make many uncomfortable. I noted that I understood not being able to block emergency vehicles which would be comperable to the "fire" example.
    But you ignore all the other issues which I noted, and which were on display with the lawless Occutards in many major cities.

    There are reasons permits are required. Do you still deny such ? It is the law in many places, btw. Passing Constitutional muster, btw.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    But you ignore all the other issues which I noted, and which were on display with the lawless Occutards in many major cities.
    A small minority broke other laws. That is a completely seperate issue.

    There are reasons permits are required. Do you still deny such ? It is the law in many places, btw. Passing Constitutional muster, btw.
    I wouldn't disagree that people have come up with reasons. The free exercise of our rights are not always a pretty controlled thing. They are not required to be.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not only do I have a right to protest, I have a right to freely associate with like minded individuals.



    But you can call the president a jerk which might make many uncomfortable. I noted that I understood not being able to block emergency vehicles which would be comperable to the "fire" example.
    But, you don't have the right to trash out public property, creating a scenario where millions of tax payer dollars are wasted on the clean up. There is enough wasteful spending in the government as it is, without this kind of thing taking place.

    The irony of the occutards, is that they scream for higher taxes, claiming that there isn't enough tax revenue for social services, but cause the wasteful spedning of a million+ dollars.
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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, you don't have the right to trash out public property, creating a scenario where millions of tax payer dollars are wasted on the clean up. There is enough wasteful spending in the government as it is, without this kind of thing taking place.
    We pay out a good bit for people to camp out in parks all around the country. Nobody complains. Allowing people to exercise their rights is one of the few things we all should support. To argue that it costs too much for us to maintain our rights is an absolutely horrible arguement.

    This goes both ways. Many (again I have no idea exactly how many) that would have a fit over the idea that one should have to get a permit to own a gun is fine with requiring one to exercise other rights (and visa versa). One position is no better than the other. There are large costs associated with our rights to own guns. That's a part of not being a country that throws people in jail because they use "ugly words".

    The irony of the occutards, is that they scream for higher taxes, claiming that there isn't enough tax revenue for social services, but cause the wasteful spedning of a million+ dollars.
    I should have noted this earlier and I hate that I haven't. It isn't about the OWS movement.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not only do I have a right to protest, I have a right to freely associate with like minded individuals.

    Absolutely you do within the law. We are all citizens, and I have the right to go about my day and ignore your protest don't I?

    What about this pesky thing....

    "The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees individuals the right of freedom of assembly. Under the common law and modern statutes, however, the meeting of three or more persons may constitute an unlawful assembly if the persons have an illegal purpose or if their meeting will breach the public peace of the community. If they actually execute their purpose, they have committed the criminal offense of riot."

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    A small minority broke other laws. That is a completely seperate issue.

    I wouldn't disagree that people have come up with reasons. The free exercise of our rights are not always a pretty controlled thing. They are not required to be.
    One big reason : You do not have a right to trash my rights while deciding what your rights are.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Absolutely you do within the law. We are all citizens, and I have the right to go about my day and ignore your protest don't I?
    Ignore away.

    What about this pesky thing....
    Common law was a basis for our laws but irrelevant and I've noted, many do try and create modern statutes to curtail our rights all the time. We should not sit back and accept them.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    One big reason : You do not have a right to trash my rights while deciding what your rights are.
    Not trying to be dimissive but this statement really isn't saying anything. I've made many points about the societal costs of our rights and how the curtailment of them can and is abused and this is the reply?

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not trying to be dimissive but this statement really isn't saying anything. I've made many points about the societal costs of our rights and how the curtailment of them can and is abused and this is the reply?
    And I have the made the points, with far more specificity, about why we have reasonable statutes regarding assembly and protest. None say that you cannot assemble or protest. You have failed to address those legitimate concerns.

    So, back atcha

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    And I have the made the points, with far more specificity, about why we have reasonable statutes regarding assembly and protest. None say that you cannot assemble or protest. You have failed to address those legitimate concerns.

    So, back atcha
    You say that they cost money. I say that our freedoms do not come without a price.

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