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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    Non-peaceful protesters should be brought up on criminal charges, but peaceful protesters are exerting their first amendment rights exactly as the Constitution intended. For even considering making peaceful protesters pay for this, Carmen Trutanich has shown ignorance of the Constitution that should not be acceptable in someone working for an agency expected to uphold it.
    These following protesters were considered non-peaceful by the police officers.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    Non-peaceful protesters should be brought up on criminal charges, but peaceful protesters are exerting their first amendment rights exactly as the Constitution intended. For even considering making peaceful protesters pay for this, Carmen Trutanich has shown ignorance of the Constitution that should not be acceptable in someone working for an agency expected to uphold it.
    "Peaceful" does not make something legal.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    Non-peaceful protesters should be brought up on criminal charges, but peaceful protesters are exerting their first amendment rights exactly as the Constitution intended. For even considering making peaceful protesters pay for this, Carmen Trutanich has shown ignorance of the Constitution that should not be acceptable in someone working for an agency expected to uphold it.
    The problem appears to be that many of these 'peaceful protesters' are making a huge mess, a problem related directly to them and which has nothing to do with the Constitution. By attempting to make the claim that turning city streets into waste sites or deterring people from going about their normal routines diminishes the Constitution and those who would want to protect it.

    Not claiming responsibility for your personal actions, or the group with whom you're involved, seems a natural inclination for those who feel that the government is responsible for their behavior and will have a temper tantrum when they dont get their way.

    This trivialization of the Constitution does no one any good over the long term. It is worthy of greater respect.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Now you aren't even trying to do anything but make people angry and stroke your own ego by doing it. Real childish.
    Get off your "holier than thou" high horse and get off my case.

    This is an Internet forum (albeit one of the more civil ones), after all.


    "Wiseone", perhaps you can get on topic, eh?
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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not when the financial sector is getting away with wasting billions of dollars to clean up their mess.

    What? The financial sector is wasting billions? Wouldn't that be the government wasting the money to help the financial sector? Come on dude, stick to the narrative....Gheeze!


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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Not true. Many jurisdictions require permits in order to have a group beyond a certain size assemble, as there are numerous safety codes that must be adhered to, and other considerations. In many cases insurance bonds are required as well. All Constitutional.
    I fully support anyone that wishes to ignore any permit system. If I'm leading the protest, I would stay out of the roads because of understanding a safe passage of emergency vehicles, but outside of that, no, I would not get a permit.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Get off your "holier than thou" high horse and get off my case.

    This is an Internet forum (albeit one of the more civil ones), after all.


    "Wiseone", perhaps you can get on topic, eh?
    My issue is that its impossible to determine who is going to be held responsible and for what amount of the clean up they are responsible for. Its impossible for a court to get everyone who was there, who knows exactly who was there as they came and left, and say "OK we'll divide the total number of people by the cost of damages, and call it a day." Thats not how law works, you have to be found individually guilty of a specific act which violated the law, as in "You through that specific cup on the ground, that is littering on public property" and through analysis by the court and clean up workers, they'll determine what portion of the total amount that specific person owes. If it sounds crazy for one person, imagine doing it for hundreds of them. If the government actually went ahead of this they would be wasting a large amount of money in court and lawyer fees, not to mention still having to pay for the cost of the clean up. After all the city isn't going to set the garbage sit there until the case works its way through court, they'll clean it up at their own cost and then seek damages.

    I entirely agree that those who damage public property should be held accountable for it, but I disagree with the idea of punishing en-masse when a certain individuals actions cannot be proven nor can it be proven he was responsible for any damages. Individual accountability MUST be achieved before I'd support any fines being levied against protestors, it'll be a sad day in America when people can be found guilty by association.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    "Peaceful" does not make something legal.
    Nor does the dislike of one exercising their Constitutional rights.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I fully support anyone that wishes to ignore any permit system. If I'm leading the protest, I would stay out of the roads because of understanding a safe passage of emergency vehicles, but outside of that, no, I would not get a permit.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Nor does the dislike of one exercising their Constitutional rights.
    Then you break the law, while claiming to support the law. In the end, you will be violating the Constitutional rights of others, because you claim to "have that right".

    Do I need to explain all the laws that pertain to safety codes, right-of-way and traffic laws, sanitation, insurance bonds ..... etc ?

    "I would stay out of the road" does not quite cover it"

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I can see the delima here. However, in the end since this is the exerciese of a right; namely protest and assembly that we must accept this as a consequence of freedom. I fear too many people forget consequence.

    Seems you'd like to throw out the rule of law....

    "The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees individuals the right of freedom of assembly. Under the common law and modern statutes, however, the meeting of three or more persons may constitute an unlawful assembly if the persons have an illegal purpose or if their meeting will breach the public peace of the community. If they actually execute their purpose, they have committed the criminal offense of riot."

    Read more: Unlawful assembly: West's Encyclopedia of American Law (Full Article) from Answers.com


    How much does gun ownership cost us?
    I don't know that me owning my guns costs you anything.

    We have a lot of gun crime and a lot of legal, medical, and social dynamics which feed into it and cost us all money.
    Gun crime does indeed cost society money. Is gun crime part of legal gun ownership to you?

    Certainly there would always be some amount of gun crime; but if we took very authoratative measures to remove guns physically we could decrease that number greatly.
    Are you in favor of that...

    Do we sue gun owners?
    If they commit a crime with their gun, absolutely.

    Do we sue gun companies?
    It's been tried I'm sure.

    No, crime and the other costs associated with gun ownership are a consequence of freedom. One which must be borne out if we are to maintain freedom.

    And there are consequences for committing gun crimes are there not? This is a horrible analogy.


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