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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you think a single person with a 'valid complaint' could be heard these days? Numbers bring coverage. OWS knows this, Tea Party knows this. And it also depends on what you consider valid. Griping about having to pay back loans that you yourself signed for, is just an example of what I would consider to be a rather dumb complaint....Can I get an *uptwinkles*....


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    Depends on how he goes about it, but being heard doesn't make something legit or not legit.

    Yes, young peopel signed loans, being as worldly and as smart as they are at 18. Saddled themselves with thousands of dollars of debt, only to find the job they got didn't make snough to pay the loan. Such assholes. And we all know this is the single, only thing OWS is about. That said, it might be helpful to actually listen to the complaints, which are largely about government favoring business and wealthy over working folk. And to that, they have a point. from corporate welfare to bailouts to silly tax breaks, government has favor business. And when we look closely at the relationship between money and politics, we all should be at least a little outraged. That some are so affraid of business and wealthy that they seek to appease them at the cost of their own welfare saddens me. But, here we are.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Depends on how he goes about it, but being heard doesn't make something legit or not legit.
    Absolutely.

    Yes, young peopel signed loans, being as worldly and as smart as they are at 18. Saddled themselves with thousands of dollars of debt, only to find the job they got didn't make snough to pay the loan.
    Maybe it would have helped to not chose courses of study that had no real chance of financial success in the real world. In fact, following that line, they could just as easily go after the collage system for ripping them off.

    Such assholes.
    I didn't say that....Why do you think students are assholes?

    And we all know this is the single, only thing OWS is about.
    Again, I didn't say that did I? Come on Joe, make your argument without putting words in my mouth will you?

    That said, it might be helpful to actually listen to the complaints, which are largely about government favoring business and wealthy over working folk. And to that, they have a point.
    Sure they do, but their anger is myopic, and poorly focused.

    from corporate welfare to bailouts to silly tax breaks, government has favor business. And when we look closely at the relationship between money and politics, we all should be at least a little outraged.
    And where are the OWS rallies against the governments role in this? Surely not reported, largely I think to the MSM's relationship to Obama.

    That some are so affraid of business and wealthy that they seek to appease them at the cost of their own welfare saddens me. But, here we are.
    I think that many people that have jobs today are worried about where Obama is taking this country as it concerns business. These are not the best of times in case you haven't noticed.


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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe it would have helped to not chose courses of study that had no real chance of financial success in the real world. In fact, following that line, they could just as easily go after the collage system for ripping them off.
    Well, a world with just doctors and lawyers isn't likely to happen.

    I didn't say that....Why do you think students are assholes?
    You missed the point. Try again.



    Sure they do, but their anger is myopic, and poorly focused.
    Same as the tea party.

    And where are the OWS rallies against the governments role in this? Surely not reported, largely I think to the MSM's relationship to Obama.
    That's silly and incorrect. It has been largely reported.

    I think that many people that have jobs today are worried about where Obama is taking this country as it concerns business. These are not the best of times in case you haven't noticed.


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    Different subject, and not what I'm speaking to. It is the constant need to give breaks and to and appease business and wealth that is a problem. The giving away of all worker advantage just to see business walk away all the same.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    That said, it might be helpful to actually listen to the complaints, which are largely about government favoring business and wealthy over working folk. And to that, they have a point. from corporate welfare to bailouts to silly tax breaks, government has favor business.
    The government and big businesses do work very closely together. And people continue to say how much they don't like it. But in the end they keep putting these same politicians in office. And they keep giving as much money as possible to these big businesses. What is the consequence of all these things that people don't like? Re-election and more money.

    OWS taking to the parks, attempting to disrupt civilians, taking out aggression on police, ruining small business and all in all helping these big businesses while at the same time inconviencing ordinary people's day to day lives didn't do a damn thing to help their "cause". If OWS wants to make a difference they need to focus their attentions on replacing officials who are corrupt or who are working against their interests. Many people seem to have it stuck in their heads that it's either Dems or Reps that are working against them. People need to realize it's both. Politicians are screwing things up, not one party. These same people who are sick of big business needs to make a point by not supporting these companies. That means stop giving them truck loads of money. Not just bitching at them for not being nicer. These politicians and businesses don't give a damn about what you say. Or how big your sign is. What they care about is your votes and your money.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The government and big businesses do work very closely together. And people continue to say how much they don't like it. But in the end they keep putting these same politicians in office. And they keep giving as much money as possible to these big businesses. What is the consequence of all these things that people don't like? Re-election and more money.

    OWS taking to the parks, attempting to disrupt civilians, taking out aggression on police, ruining small business and all in all helping these big businesses while at the same time inconviencing ordinary people's day to day lives didn't do a damn thing to help their "cause". If OWS wants to make a difference they need to focus their attentions on replacing officials who are corrupt or who are working against their interests. Many people seem to have it stuck in their heads that it's either Dems or Reps that are working against them. People need to realize it's both. Politicians are screwing things up, not one party. These same people who are sick of big business needs to make a point by not supporting these companies. That means stop giving them truck loads of money. Not just bitching at them for not being nicer. These politicians and businesses don't give a damn about what you say. Or how big your sign is. What they care about is your votes and your money.
    There is a limit to what such protests can do, true. But what politican can be elected that won't have ties to business?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, a world with just doctors and lawyers isn't likely to happen.
    Are Lawyer's and Doctor's (although the Doctor's may argue that they can't pay their loans either considering how their profession is being attacked through HCR) the only professions that make enough to pay back the obligations they signed up for? And even if that is the case, don't collages have the responsibility when advising the 18 year old student freshman, that a degree in Philosophy won't turn out well when it comes time to pay off the cost of that degree? And don't collages have the responsibility to hold cost of these classes down, rather than just taking a look at what a bank will loan and then increasing their cost to meet that threshold?

    You missed the point. Try again.
    What point were you trying to make with calling students 'assholes'?

    Same as the tea party.
    Not hardly...how many OWS candidates are out there for the '12 elections?

    That's silly and incorrect. It has been largely reported.
    Really? Where? I haven't heard of widespread rallies against the government.

    Different subject, and not what I'm speaking to.
    Then why'd you bring it up?

    It is the constant need to give breaks and to and appease business and wealth that is a problem.
    Attracting business is one thing we hire our politicians for. I would argue that they are supposed to be our spokesperson as to why it is advantageous to do business in a particular town, state, country.

    The giving away of all worker advantage just to see business walk away all the same.
    Without a job, a worker is not a worker of anything are they?

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    But what politican can be elected that won't have ties to business?
    Sadly none. Both political parties are set up so that they put in office who they want in office. Most elections come down to two choices. Who the Dems tell you to vote for and who the Reps tell you to vote for. Neither serves the interest of the general public. Neither party will allow anyone to get onto one of their tickets who will promote change or go against the grain of the party for what that person believes would be in the general public's

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Sadly none. Both political parties are set up so that they put in office who they want in office. Most elections come down to two choices. Who the Dems tell you to vote for and who the Reps tell you to vote for. Neither serves the interest of the general public. Neither party will allow anyone to get onto one of their tickets who will promote change or go against the grain of the party for what that person believes would be in the general public's
    I largely agree.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Sadly none. Both political parties are set up so that they put in office who they want in office. Most elections come down to two choices. Who the Dems tell you to vote for and who the Reps tell you to vote for. Neither serves the interest of the general public. Neither party will allow anyone to get onto one of their tickets who will promote change or go against the grain of the party for what that person believes would be in the general public's
    I agree as well. I feel that is why we should limit the Federal Government's power. You have a better chance to affect your local politics.
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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I agree as well. I feel that is why we should limit the Federal Government's power. You have a better chance to affect your local politics.
    More change the system. Find a way to remove money from the equation. This would likely improve everything involved.

    BTW, money and the link to business is at every level and not just the federal level.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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