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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm just quoting the article that was greatfully posted for us. But let me give a possibility. A police officer gets paid $200 a day. Since he was used that day for traffic control his wages get added in even though he would have been paid that day anyway.
    Well, I think you'd have to show that to be the case if you are going to claim that the city is trying to charge the protest with the entire cost of policing the city on those days.

    I've somehow overlooked the Big Mac amendment.
    Well, you overlook much it seems when it comes to this debate. Like law's.

    You DO NOT get to pick and choose what is valid and what is not valid protest.
    Who said I do? But, it is Bull **** to compare apples and oranges like you tried.

    You really need to take a class on the Constitution.
    Well, I don't think ad hom's get us anywhere do they?

    Not only do we have a right to protest what we feel is wrong we also have equal protection.
    Sure, go ahead. Just make sure you have the proper permits, and show a little respect for the land you are to hold your protest on. That's all.

    If you are not going to charge one group for the costs of protecting their rights you can not charge another group.
    Then the inverse should also be true...right?

    I have no idea as they are irrelevant to me.
    Hmmm...then why did you bring it up?


    We are even more broke when we decide that we can not defend our Constitutional rights.
    You don't have a right to disrupt, destroy, riot, rape, drug, rob, etc...There are laws.

    This isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what the government is still providing Wall Street.
    Careful, you may be going over the top with your hyperbole...I don't, and I don't think anyone is in favor of Obama's brand of cronyism, and corruption.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I think you'd have to show that to be the case if you are going to claim that the city is trying to charge the protest with the entire cost of policing the city on those days.
    Well, I do not have to actually prove anything but all the same, I didn't say the entire cost to the city for the day.

    Well, you overlook much it seems when it comes to this debate. Like law's.
    I believe I have covered that. I'm not the one trying to compare buying your lunch to protecting ones Constitutional rights.

    Who said I do? But, it is Bull **** to compare apples and oranges like you tried.
    You did when you tried to say that what one group did concerning their rights was valid while anothers wasn't just because you disagree with them.

    Well, I don't think ad hom's get us anywhere do they?
    Ad hom? I was very serious.

    Sure, go ahead. Just make sure you have the proper permits, and show a little respect for the land you are to hold your protest on. That's all.
    It's been shown where permits only allow someone to decide who can exercise their rights and who can't. I provided an example. One person at least honestly acknowledged it.

    Then the inverse should also be true...right?
    That you have to charge them all? No it isn't. You can not charge someone for exercising their constitutional rights.

    Hmmm...then why did you bring it up?
    I didn't. The city did in the original article.

    You don't have a right to disrupt, destroy, riot, rape, drug, rob, etc...There are laws.
    Nobody is argueing otherwise. This has been noted many times. I imagine it will be rehashed again though.

    Careful, you may be going over the top with your hyperbole...I don't, and I don't think anyone is in favor of Obama's brand of cronyism, and corruption.

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    It matters none if you agree with it. We have the money to protect our rights. We just misuse it for all sorts of as you note, cronyism and corruption.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Well, I do not have to actually prove anything but all the same, I didn't say the entire cost to the city for the day.

    No, you didn't. but you did try and make the point through demonstration that a cop working for the day on traffic control, that would be working anyway was being falsely added to the tab. I say that is exactly what you were trying to say, and you now come up with the old, 'I didn't say that' gambit. Whatever dude.

    I believe I have covered that. I'm not the one trying to compare buying your lunch to protecting ones Constitutional rights.
    My point was that your rights, stop when they interfere with my rights. But I think you know that.

    You did when you tried to say that what one group did concerning their rights was valid while anothers wasn't just because you disagree with them.
    Again who said that? My point Perry, was that your comparison of spoiled, children protesting because they signed a loan agreement, then proceeded to take classes designed to make them qualified for nothing, and now don't want to pay, is equal to the civil rights movement is so laughable that it really doesn't deserve the time dedicated to a response. But I did so anyway to be gracious.

    You're welcome....

    Ad hom? I was very serious.
    Then it is a good thing for you that you're on a message board, instead of in person eh? Anyway, I'll stop there. Your dishonesty, and over the top hyperbole, are really not productive. If you want to now, as you probably will declare some sort of victory, we can all yell yipee, and go make some lunch.....Congrats dude, I'll look for your achievement on the news tonight.....[/sarcasm]


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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you didn't. but you did try and make the point through demonstration that a cop working for the day on traffic control, that would be working anyway was being falsely added to the tab. I say that is exactly what you were trying to say, and you now come up with the old, 'I didn't say that' gambit. Whatever dude.
    No, I said that might be the case. Quoted from above. But let me give a possibility.

    My point was that your rights, stop when they interfere with my rights. But I think you know that.
    Big Macs do not prove that your rights were in any way interfered with.

    Again who said that? My point Perry, was that your comparison of spoiled, children protesting because they signed a loan agreement, then proceeded to take classes designed to make them qualified for nothing, and now don't want to pay, is equal to the civil rights movement is so laughable that it really doesn't deserve the time dedicated to a response. But I did so anyway to be gracious.
    Some made those arguements but the big picture was the government bailing out Wall Street at the expense of main street. That is or should be in anyone's book an absolutley valid reason to protest despite some making immature side arguements. The arguement I made showed why it's not a valid arguement to charge people for exercising their Constitutional Rights.

    I disagree with aspects of the complaints also but that is irrelevant. One's right to protest is not based upon it's popularity. I absolutely abhor the message of the KKK but I absolutely support their right to spew it.

    Then it is a good thing for you that you're on a message board, instead of in person eh? Anyway, I'll stop there. Your dishonesty, and over the top hyperbole, are really not productive. If you want to now, as you probably will declare some sort of victory, we can all yell yipee, and go make some lunch.....Congrats dude, I'll look for your achievement on the news tonight.....[/sarcasm]
    I'm not here to declare "victory".

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The Tea Parties obtained the needed permits, did their thing peacefully, and then left the grounds in most cases in better shape than before they were there.
    The TP had corporate backers--logistics, transport, and media promotion were all funded by corps and Fox News. The Occupy events are a symptoms of the great recession, dysfunctional federal and state governments, and 3 decades of wealth being transferred upward from the working class to the ruling class. As people become aware of the 'trickle-down' lie, they get angry and frustrated. You might be inclined to join them if you understood the truth.

    But your comparison is meaningless as the TP is a well-funded and TRAINED corporate backed attempt to win support for candidates that support their anti-reg, anti-union agenda.

    A few weeks after the Lincoln Center gala, the advocacy wing of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation—an organization that David Koch started, in 2004—held a different kind of gathering. Over the July 4th weekend, a summit called Texas Defending the American Dream took place in a chilly hotel ballroom in Austin. Though Koch freely promotes his philanthropic ventures, he did not attend the summit, and his name was not in evidence. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials “have a socialist vision for this country.”

    Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders. The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice. David Axelrod, Obama’s senior adviser, said, “What they don’t say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens’ movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires.”
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    The Koch brothers must be laughing all the way to the bank knowing that working Americans are aiding and abetting their selfish interests. And surely Murdoch is snickering at those protesting the “ground zero mosque.” Last week on “Fox and Friends,” the Bush administration flacks Dan Senor and Dana Perino attacked a supposedly terrorism-tainted Saudi prince whose foundation might contribute to the Islamic center. But as “The Daily Show” keeps pointing out, these Fox bloviators never acknowledge that the evil prince they’re bashing, Walid bin Talal, is not only the biggest non-Murdoch shareholder in Fox News’s parent company (he owns 7 percent of News Corporation) and the recipient of Murdoch mammoth investments in Saudi Arabia but also the subject of lionization elsewhere on Fox.

    No less a Murdoch factotum than Neil Cavuto slobbered over bin Talal in a Fox Business Channel interview as recently as January, with nary a question about his supposed terrorist ties. Instead, bin Talal praised Obama’s stance on terrorism and even endorsed the Democrats’ goal of universal health insurance. Do any of the Fox-watching protestors at the “ground zero mosque” know that Fox’s profits are flowing to a Obama-sympathizing Saudi billionaire in bed with Murdoch? As Jon Stewart summed it up, the protestors who want “to cut off funding to the ‘terror mosque’ ” are aiding that funding by watching Fox and enhancing bin Talal’s News Corp. holdings.
    Billionaires duping middle class GOPs in to joining a 4-year anti-Obama, anti-regulation, anti-union campaign.

    TPs in Wisconsin have caught on. Hopefully the rest of the country will too, before November.
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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The TP had corporate backers--logistics, transport, and media promotion were all funded by corps and Fox News. The Occupy events are a symptoms of the great recession, dysfunctional federal and state governments, and 3 decades of wealth being transferred upward from the working class to the ruling class. As people become aware of the 'trickle-down' lie, they get angry and frustrated. You might be inclined to join them if you understood the truth.

    But your comparison is meaningless as the TP is a well-funded and TRAINED corporate backed attempt to win support for candidates that support their anti-reg, anti-union agenda.


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    Billionaires duping middle class GOPs in to joining a 4-year anti-Obama, anti-regulation, anti-union campaign.

    TPs in Wisconsin have caught on. Hopefully the rest of the country will too, before November.
    Kinda deja vu but if you replaced 'Koch brothers' with 'Soros' and 'Tea Party' with 'OWS' and 'Americans for Prosparity, Fox News and Texas Defend..." with 'Tides Foundation, MSNBC, Center for American Progress...' it would sound JUST LIKE Glenn Beck....weird?

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The TP had corporate backers--logistics, transport, and media promotion were all funded by corps and Fox News. The Occupy events are a symptoms of the great recession, dysfunctional federal and state governments, and 3 decades of wealth being transferred upward from the working class to the ruling class. As people become aware of the 'trickle-down' lie, they get angry and frustrated. You might be inclined to join them if you understood the truth.

    But your comparison is meaningless as the TP is a well-funded and TRAINED corporate backed attempt to win support for candidates that support their anti-reg, anti-union agenda.

    LINK

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    Billionaires duping middle class GOPs in to joining a 4-year anti-Obama, anti-regulation, anti-union campaign.

    TPs in Wisconsin have caught on. Hopefully the rest of the country will too, before November.
    LOL ... "wealth" was not transferred upward. Such a farce. What you see in America is the result of an expanding nanny-state, which insures that those in the lower half are more likely to stay there, becoming only more as wards of the state.

    The Occutards were funded by the likes of George Soros. Many folks were paid to attend and protest. It was astro-turf.

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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The TP had corporate backers--logistics, transport, and media promotion were all funded by corps and Fox News. The Occupy events are a symptoms of the great recession, dysfunctional federal and state governments, and 3 decades of wealth being transferred upward from the working class to the ruling class. As people become aware of the 'trickle-down' lie, they get angry and frustrated. You might be inclined to join them if you understood the truth.

    But your comparison is meaningless as the TP is a well-funded and TRAINED corporate backed attempt to win support for candidates that support their anti-reg, anti-union agenda.



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    Billionaires duping middle class GOPs in to joining a 4-year anti-Obama, anti-regulation, anti-union campaign.

    TPs in Wisconsin have caught on. Hopefully the rest of the country will too, before November.
    Oh please! Tides, Soros, Unions, Adbusters...Don't fool yourself dude, Occupy astro-turf is well backed by some pretty anti American forces.


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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Damaging public spaces,turning areas into crime scenes,harassing businesses and schoolkids and many other things are the opposite of peaceful.



    Blocking police,trying to prevent police from leaving,resisting arrest and preventing them from doing their job is not peaceful.
    They were not prevented from doing thier "job" (quotes put there intentionally). That is quite a stupid remark to make considering that everyone did absolutely nothing physical while they pepper sprayed those students and they were allowed to take the tents down. And you can resist police peacefully as these particular demonstrators showed even your own video shows a cop saying "any resistence either passive or...". The way you tell it there is no such thing as "passive" resistance. (btw~passive resistance is just another word for peaceful resistance)

    As far as the police being blocked. The only way that they were blocked is by a passive group which did nothing to harm them. It may be against the law, but the way in which it was done was peaceful. Whether you want to admit it or not.
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    Re: L.A. might sue Occupy L.A. protestors for financial damages

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The TP had corporate backers--logistics, transport, and media promotion were all funded by corps and Fox News. The Occupy events are a symptoms of the great recession, dysfunctional federal and state governments, and 3 decades of wealth being transferred upward from the working class to the ruling class. As people become aware of the 'trickle-down' lie, they get angry and frustrated. You might be inclined to join them if you understood the truth.

    But your comparison is meaningless as the TP is a well-funded and TRAINED corporate backed attempt to win support for candidates that support their anti-reg, anti-union agenda.



    LINK

    The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party



    Billionaires duping middle class GOPs in to joining a 4-year anti-Obama, anti-regulation, anti-union campaign.

    TPs in Wisconsin have caught on. Hopefully the rest of the country will too, before November.

    Why are you trying to make this about the Tea Party? Do you think this somehow excuses OWS's moral obligation to pay for the damage they did?
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